One More Walther Question
This should about wrap up my Walther questions. I like the looks of the P-99. They seem to be considerably more expensive than say Glocks. Are they worth it? If they are, what sets them apart? Thanks for your help with this question.
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I think you needto look in some different places as the two are roughly in the same ballpark for base guns. I'm not a huge fan of the combat Tuopperware pieces, but I cannot argue about their effectiveness. The P-99 uses largely the same operating system, so the differences are somewhat negligible. I would reccommend the P-99 because I like the name, and the ergonomics (comes with several different backstrap inserts)are to my hand anyway, far superior. I can only reccommend that you go with what feels best in your hand.
On a diferent note, if you like Walthers (especially the newer ones)perhaps you should look for a Walther PP Super. Chambered in 9x18 Police Super (NOT 9x18 Makarov) these were neat little guns that looked alot like a PP on Steroids. I belioeve the ammo is still made by Fiocchi.
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For 1KYDSTAR: That was a great post and a real help. I have never owned a polymer gun. I didn't want to offend anyone by saying I am still, after all these years, sold on Polymer. I like my metal P-1 but also like the way Walthers work...so smooth and reliable. I saw a website with a PP and skipped right over it. I guess I better go back and have another look. I never heard of the police 9x18. Learn something new everday on this website.To be honest, what I would like is a gun that looks like a PPK, operates the same, and comes in 9x19mm (I have a Manurhin .380 and a FEG 9x18. The Manurhin is a great gun, the FEG, well, it shoots). Again thanks for pointing me in a new direction.
Just checked out the PP's for sale on the Carl Walther website. They start at $995 and go up. The prices seem a bit high on this site or I have been out of touch lately.0 -
Well, I would guess that that is MSRP, as they seem to go in the 700's what what I've seen. The new manufactured guns are simply beautiful, and it certainly is a time proven design! The now discontinued PP Super Police is a strange puppy. It was designed alot along the lines of the MAkarov. In other words, they were looking to get the utmost performance they could from a fixed barrel gun. The 9x18 Walther round is a true ".355 bullet, wheras the Mak round I think runs".364. While the Walther number is a little faster, the MAk likely makes up for it by the slightly larger cross section and heavier weight bullet. I think the best approximation for these two is that they are alot like the 380 round, just alot snappier.
If you look at a copy of Cartridges of the World, I think you'll see under the 9x18 Super section a picture of the Police Super gun.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=29383363
Check out this auction...has good pictures of the Super. There were not alot of these made, and ammo is fairly pricey (solved by reloading if you can), but I would figure them to become collectable someday. Still not the mico-nine you seem to want, but it is getting closer to the same level as the 9x19, just not quite as powerful.
I bought and restored a Manurhin PP for my dad a few years back, and it is indeed a really nice gun; the FEG's however...I tend to agree with you there. Functional, just don't like the way they look or feel (read that to mean cheap!) although they HAVE made some really good guns over the years. Have fun, and get what you like...you're the one that has to live with it!
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For 1KYDSTR: Thanks for the great information. I am sure you are right about the prices as they seemed a bit high. I checked on P-38s, around $1000, PPK's, around $985, the PP that you suggested (I couldn't agree more, this is a cool looking pistol) but they are around $1000 and so forth. They do have the 9x18 super you talked about but not cheap. These are all made in Germany guns so I imagine that has a lot to do with the high prices not to mention what you said about MSRP. I looked through some old Guns And Ammo Annuals from 1991 through 1999. You could still buy all of these pistols (the P-88 in the compact model by 1999) back then. What was I thinking!!!!!!!
What I find confusing is that Walther lists the P-38 ($800 in one catalogue and $1000 in another) up to 1999. But, the Walther I just bought is a P-1. Are they one and the same? Did they sell these two models side by side? I was told my pistol came from the German Army.
The FEG I have (PA-63)is tough to operate especially the decocker. It has terrible sites and can be hard to hold on to. But, and this is the funny thing, it shoots great groups! A friend of mine had a new Walther PPK/S with good orange sites. My FEG, at least accuracy wise, outshot the Walther (made in America) and I was the one shooting both of them. Anyway, thanks for the great advice!
P.S. I checked out the one you sent me to. Yep, I love it. The minimum bid is $280 and if I had not bought that P-1 last week, I'd be jumping all over this. A friend is doing my taxes and e-filing. Now,if I can get them back in time...and my wife doesn't....
Well, anyway, if and when I find one of these jewels and you are ever in the Kansas City area, you get to fire it FIRST! Again, thanks for launching me on a new collecting crusade.0 -
The P-1's I have seen were German police tradeins when they went to the P5's, P6's, and P7's (Walther, SIG, and HK). Tons came in for around 189.00 a copy at the same time PP's in 32ACP were coming in for around 159.00 sometime in the 1980's.
The P-1's were alloy framed and there were some problems with frames cracking. The P-38's were steel.
Walther corrected this problem when they manufactured the P-5's and inserted steel rails. The P-5 is based on the P-38.0 -
I own or have owned evry handgun made within the the last 15 years or more. If I had to choose only one handgun that I would stake my life on, I would have a difficult time deciding which Glock it would be.
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I have a alloy frame Walther Marked p38, so not all are steel. And mine doesnt have the rail. It was made in 1961. Anyways if you want a very very nice waltehr I recommend looking at the p88 models. The compact is good but I hear better about the fullsize. Maybe you should check them out as well, and do not forget teh p5 walther which is a neat little gun. I have shot the p99 and liek it much better than glocks, but the glock is #3 on my plastic gun list behind Steyr and Walther. The other 2 are much newer designs than the glocks. The P88 is a great gun and the only complaint I have ever heard of is the price. But they can be had used for a bit less. 0 -
Went with the Walther P-99 over the Glock because....
1. Natural point of aim. (for ME) Glock doesn't have it.
2. That safety thingy in the trigger of a Glock. Can't stand it, make my finger sore.
3. Interchangeable backstrap, which allows it to be configure to fit well in most hands.
4. Demerit for P-99, decocker is awkward to get to and use.
5. Glocks are ugly. [}:)] Sorry, just had to throw that in. [:D]
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