winchester 94
Hello Bert,
I recently obtained a Winchester model 94 carbine,serial number 1762061,caliber stamp .30-30 Win., serrated hammer, flat checkered steel butt plate, short fore end wood, not tapped for receiver sight, blank upper tang. I'm hoping this Winchester is from 1951 also my birth year, am I close? Thanks, Greg LaHaie
I recently obtained a Winchester model 94 carbine,serial number 1762061,caliber stamp .30-30 Win., serrated hammer, flat checkered steel butt plate, short fore end wood, not tapped for receiver sight, blank upper tang. I'm hoping this Winchester is from 1951 also my birth year, am I close? Thanks, Greg LaHaie
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I have the chance to buy a Winchester 94 like new in box from my brother. He said he has fired about 8 rounds through it. It's got the cross bolt safety and is .45 LC. I think it's a trapper because it's short. He said he would take $350 for it. How much is it worth now and how much will it be worth now that they wont make them anymore? 0 -
Hello uncle milo...
The most common factory installed receiver sight found on the Model 1894/94 was the Lyman No. 21 or 38. In later years (circa 1930s - 1950s), Winchester did install a Redfield receiver sight (mounted with holes as you describe), but it was a rare option. The vast majority of Winchester Model 94s found with holes drilled & tapped in the receiver are not factory original.
Bert H.
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Bert H : thank you for your reply. but i am not asking about what sights were used on the model 94. eather by the factory or by individual gun owners. back in the 40s and 50s it seemed like every other hunter in the woods [ northern michigan.] was carrying a winchester 94 with a receiver sight installed. i assume they were insalled buy the owners or their gun-smith. somewhere along the the line winchester started drilling and taping all the model 94 receivers at the factory for mounting these sights . i recently picked up a model 94 sn#16429xx that has the two little screw holes pluged with the filler screws. the gun is in excellent condition both the wood and blueing at what i wood rate at 98%. what i wound like to find out is were these holes on all model 94 leaving the factory in 1950 or a after market addition. eather way i think i got myself a real sweet little pre-64 and hope to put to good use this fall. 0 -
I guess that I did not make myself real clear in the first reply. Winchester never drilled & tapped the receivers on the Model 94s as a regular course of action... it was a special order option only. Again, the vast majority of Model 94s found with D & T'd receivers were done at the local gun smitty's shop.
Bert H.
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bert, are you sure about that i've seen many m94's (post ww2) that were d&t'ed for the receiver sight new in the box. weaver even made a scope mount to fit these holes and included 2 screws for the front hole (finger lever pin stop screw) for the pre and post 64 rifles. if i had to guess i'd say that all post ww2 rifles came this way. 0 -
Hello Mike,
To the very best of my knowledge, all of the pre-64 made 94s with receiver sights were special order options only. I have owned several that were manufactured in the very early 1950s, and personally handled several hundred more that were made post WW II... and they did not have drilled receivers. None of my many references list it as a regular production change either. Now, it very well might be that it was more often special ordered in the mid-west region of the U.S., but it was still a special order option.
Bert H.
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Bert H: again i thank you for your reply. I guess what is confusing me on this issue is that every model 94 that i pick up has these pluged screw holes. at the last two gun-shows [flint & lansing ] i did not see a model 94 without them. unless it was a real old pre-war model. i know all the post-64 models i have looked at have had them. and i guess i just assumed that at at some point they just became a standard item on all 94s. i do NOT wish to sound like i am doubting you or arguing with you. i guess receiver sights and side scope mounts were more popular in this area then i thought. thank you for setting this old man straight. 0 -
My Father bought both my brother and my self new in the box mod 94 Winchesters in 1957 in Honesdale Pa. and both are drilled and tapped for reciever sights. I have a Lyman sight on mine and my brother still has the factory rear sight on his. These two 94's have never been out of the family and have never been to the gunsmith. OH and by the way, they have put a lot of meat on the table!
Dewayne E. Geer,NRA life member, AF&AM_Knights Templer,York Rite Mason,623 Midland TEXAS0 -
OK...
Just to be 100% sure, I went and double checked all of my references (Pirkle, Houze, Rennenberg, Henshaw, and Madis)... all of them are in agreement that receiver sights for the Model 94 were always special order. I even looked through a few old catalogs, and the standard Model 94 Sporting Carbine was standard with a barrel mounted dovetail sight.
Bert H.
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bert, i think we are talking about two different things here, not weather the rifles came with receiver sights or not. just that they have two 6x48 holes drilled to mount them. check your post war rifles and i'll bet all of them have the two holes. 0 -
I'm no '94 expert, but...
My 1964 (verified) Win '94 was sold in Colorado and came with the receiver drilled and tapped for future sight options. Both holes were plugged with small screws.
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Hello uncle milo,
Maybe I can help.
According to Arthur Pirkle in vol. 3. He states as follows:
"At ser. #1,750,000 (I think this is approximate) Winchester started to standardize the holes drilled and tapped on the left side of the receiver that were drilled intermittently to circa ser. #2,000,000 for Lyman #56 receiver sights and its variations". Ser.#1,750,000 is 1951, ser. #2,000,000 is 1953.
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