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MOORES PAT. S&W REVOLVER ?

MIKE WISKEY
A CUSTOMER BROUGHT IT A 7 SHOOT .32 CAL R.F. REVOLVER MARKED MGF. FOR S&W, MOORES PAT., IT NEEDS SEVERAL PARTS. ANYONE KNOW OF A PARTS SORCE OR HAVE A SCHEMATIC FOR IT.
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  • rufe-snow
    Don't mean to throw cold water on your quest, ,"BUT" the revolver your trying to find parts for, dates to the early 1860's. It was made in relatively small numbers, ( 2,000?) because it violated S & W's patents. S & W went to court and forced the company to cease production. The ones marked with the S & W name were sold after S & W won the lawsuit.

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  • captkirk3@dslextreme.com
    Parts are Virually Non-Existant........You can place an AD in the Wanted Section of the Forums and keep it currant.......But its doubtful You'll recieve any response.....I wish You Luck.......

    Captain Kirk, Tech Staff<P><BR>
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    I KNOW THIS IS LOOKING FOR A VERY SMALL NEEDLE IN A VERY LARGE HAY STACK BUT I'M HOPEING SOMEONE MAY HAVE A PICTURE AT LEAST OF A COMPLETE GUN. IT'S IN NEED OF AN EJECTOR (?) ROD AND A MAIN SPRING (HAMMER SPRING). CUSTOMER WANTS ME TO MAKE PARTS IF NONE ARE AVAIABLE SO ITS NICE TO KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE FIRST.
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  • rufe-snow
    quote:Originally posted by MIKE WISKEY
    I KNOW THIS IS LOOKING FOR A VERY SMALL NEEDLE IN A VERY LARGE HAY STACK BUT I'M HOPEING SOMEONE MAY HAVE A PICTURE AT LEAST OF A COMPLETE GUN. IT'S IN NEED OF AN EJECTOR (?) ROD AND A MAIN SPRING (HAMMER SPRING). CUSTOMER WANTS ME TO MAKE PARTS IF NONE ARE AVAIABLE SO ITS NICE TO KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE FIRST.





    You'll find a picture in Flayderman's Guide, 8th edition ( It's the basic reference text for American antique firearms), Page 399.

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  • mrmike08075
    MOORE
    MOORE`S PATENT FIREARMS COMPANY, BROOKLYN, NY, USA

    DANIAL MOORE opened his factory in BROOKLYN NY in 1861, making pistols and revolvers until the end of the CIVIL WAR. operations were reconstituted in 1866 as the NATIONAL ARMS COMPANY.

    SINGLE SHOT PISTOLS
    DERRINGER
    a .41 caliber rimfire gun with a BBL that swung out to the right for loading, combined with an all-metal "knuckles" butt, this was patented in the USA in FEB. 1861 and made in large numbers until the buisness was eventualy purchased by COLT. the MOORE (or NATIONAL) No.1 and No.2 KNUCLE DUSTERS duly laid the basis for the COLT No.1 and No.2 pattterns.

    REVOLVERS
    EARLY RIMFIRE GUNS
    seven shot revolvers in .32, .38. and .44 rimfire made in accordance with a patent granted in SEPT. 1860, these guns had BBL-cylinder groups that rotated laterally to load. predictably, they fell foul of the ROLLIN WHITE PATENT (we own 2 examples of the ROLLIN WHITE / LOWELL ARMS design) owned by SMITH and WESSON. MOORE lost the resulting series of lawsuits, and the guns made in 1863 were marked "MADE FOR SMITH & WESSON". this should be considered a PATENT INFRINGMENT model.

    TEAT-FIRE GUNS
    the failure of the rimfire revolvers persuaded MOORE to attempt to circumvent the ROLLIN WHITE PATENT with a revolver that had "blind" chambers in the cylinder. these could be loaded from the front (MOORES FRONT LOADER TEAT-FIRE REVOLVER) with .32 caliber (among others) mettalic cartridges ignited by the hammer striking a protruding "teat" on its base. the "teat", wich contained a fulminate igniter, projected through a small hole bored in the rear face of the chamber, were it could be struck by the falling hammer. six shot revolvers of this type were 1st made in 1863 but were soon improved by the addition of a combined extractor / cartridge retainer developed by DAVID WILLIAMSON (a man worth reading more about if you have the desire and time). work continued even after the advent of the NATIONAL ARMS COMPANY. most guns had open frames, sheathed triggers, plain-surface cylinders, and birds head butts.


    collectors examples of this TEATFIRE amunition can still be encountered, and i have had the priveledge to fire a full cylinder of ammo from one of these guns at a distance of 7 1/2 yds.

    DIXIE GUN WORKS may have some reproduction parts for these guns still gathering dust on a shelf, but the only real answer is to have a machinist duplicate or custom fabricate the missing or broken parts from bar or spring stock.

    hope this helped...
    best regards, mike.

    What other dungeon is so dark as ones own heart, what jailer so inexorable as ones own mind.
    contact me at the shop at waltsgun@aol.com best regards, mike.
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  • ATF
    Mike,I got this out of Flayderman's Fith Edition.Not much help.

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  • MIKE WISKEY
    thanks, i can't find my flamermans book right now. at least this gives me an idea of what that ejector rod should look like.
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  • rhmc24
    I had a Moore in nice condition that I gave to my Son-in-law. The Ejector rod is a separate piece that is used like a ramrod to push out the hulls. On several Moores, I never saw two alike and think they may have been repros. On the one I had, the rod had a spring loaded sort of forked end plunger that kept it in contact with the lug under the muzzle.. That made it possible to press the plunger to free it from the lug and use the rod to push out the empty cartridges. I think any nicely made rod that would do that would look OK. Hope this helps.
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