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Mannlicher-Schoenauer 1903 DOM

Ray Boone
Anyone able to tell me when this carbine was made, or where I can go to find out? It's a 6.5x54 MS serial 137xx.
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  • petwillie
    According to Hugh Clark (longtime Mannlicher Afficinado) you can determine the manufactor date by removing the stock. To do so remove the end cap, the front sling swivel pin (bolt), the trigger guard, and the two action screws. Below the woodline on the front of the action and on the rear of the barrel will be the same production code, assuming the barrel is orignal. the code will look like this 04.259 - this would indicate the 259th rifle made in 1904. My 03 was made in this year. For more info, pet load data, etc, you can contact me via e-mail (beartrax@consolidated.net).
    John

    JC
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  • joel_black
    John instructions for removing a Mannlicher from its stock and determining the DOM is correct, but I'd add one proviso. Mannlicher screw slots are VERY narrow. You should not attempt to take them down without a proper fitting hollow groud screw driver. One other suggestion is that the easy method to determine if a Mod 1903 is Pre or post-WWI is that the pre-WWI carbines had rounded pistol grip bottoms.
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  • Ray Boone
    Joel- you're right about those slots. I've had the MS for about 20 years and shortly after I got it, I designated a couple screw drivers for it and worked them down on sharpening stones until they fit perfectly. But they'd be worthless for anything else.
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  • petwillie
    Joel,
    I was not aware of the rounded pistol grip being indicative of Pre-WWI manufactor on the MS. Mine shows a production code in 1904, yet it has a grip cap - not a rounded pistol grip. It also has the pre-1924 bolt release on it. These rifles were "production - semi-custom" in that you could get about anything you wanted on one. See Layne Simpson's artical in the Jan/Feb edition of RIfleShooter. His has what appears to be a factory tang safety in additon to the conventional Mauser style safety. I think the M-S rifles are about as interesting of a group to study as exists.
    John C

    JC
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  • joel_black
    John,
    I hope to finish up an article about Mannlichers for Gun List by the end of the month. While they did make some pre-WWI carbines with grip caps, I have never seen one with a rounded grip cap dated later than 1914. I have some with pop up tang sights and a few takedown models so I know many were made to special order.
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  • matrix
    I need a little info on my M1900 Mannlicher Schoenouer 6.5X54 carbine.
    It's ser#635 under the barrel are these markings. 1st is a V over a stylized E Also marked with a NPV the numbers 674.02 also 4427.02
    a j in a circle, a c6.5 and a symbalic// eagle? with a crown where the head would be, on the chest a 4 or the letter A
    Full stock with cheek piece( not a monte carlo) double triggers
    rotary mag. What I want to know is everything I can..
    Is it a rare one? Worth? etc..
    90% bluing, pretty good shape. I would appreciate any assistance
    Matrix
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  • joel_black
    Is it marked Model 1900? They are very rare. I have never determined any difference between the 1900 and 1903 models. My best guess is that when the Greek contract was made, the model designation was changed to agree with the year of the contract. The few Model 1900 sporters I've seen were all retailed in England.
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  • rufe-snow
    quote:Originally posted by matrix
    I 1st is a V over a stylized E Also marked with a NPV symbalic// eagle? with a crown where the head would be, on the chest a 4


    My book notes that the (3) above proof marks were in use from 1891 to 1928. There Austrian and denote the firearm was proved in the Vienna proof house.
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  • matrix
    quote:Originally posted by joel_black
    Is it marked Model 1900? They are very rare. I have never determined any difference between the 1900 and 1903 models. My best guess is that when the Greek contract was made, the model designation was changed to agree with the year of the contract. The few Model 1900 sporters I've seen were all retailed in England.


    Joel. it's marked M1900
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  • matrix
    Well it seems my carbine was crafted in 1902. I'm looking at putting a scope on it,but hesitate as I think it would be a very high mounting.
    With the european cheek piece, dunno any thoughts on this??
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  • joel_black
    Is it a full stock carbine? If so could you please post some photos. There was an article titled "Mannlicher-Schoenauer Rifle Model 1900" in Vol 2 of The International Arms Review, but it has no worthwhile information.
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