Crimson Trace Lasergrips... Opinions?
Anyone have anything good or bad to say about the Crimson Trace Laser grips? Accuracy? Reliability? Do they need to be adjusted frequently or after extended firing sessions? Thanks
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Have them for a J Frame Chief in 38 Spl and I like them.
Mine are the older design without the on/off switch.
Batteries last a long time and the gun's zero hasn't changed .
I wish they had copied the Uncle Mike's grip exactly.
You can fire from any position and know you're on target.
If it weren't for cost, I'd have them on other guns.
I understand they are coming out for AR15 grips.0 -
Bought a pair for my son who is in Afghanistan for his Beretta, they were already sighted in and hold up well in heavy combat use. Can't tell you the whole story, but one bad guy was terrified when he got "painted" with the dot.... 0 -
I am sure I will get fired up for this and I mean no disrespect to Rembrant or his son, I am sure he is a good man.
IMHO, I think lasers are pretty close to useless on a handgun.
Reason being that a handgun is a close quater weapon. If you ever have to use it, chances are your threat will be no more than a few yards away. At that distance the last thing I wanna do is look for a red dot before I pull the trigger. Lasers do not improve accuracy nor speed, you STILL HAVE TO AIM. That laser isn't going to give you a magical sight picture, sight alignment and trigger control.
Some may say useful in low light situations. Sorry but I am not going to give my position away by pointing a red dot around the area I am trying to clear. Rather have a sure fire or M3X with a blinding 125 Lumens to identify your threat before enganging.
Only time Ive seen lasers deployed is with NVGs and infared lasers in near total darkness.
Cool toy if you got a some bucks to spare but I rather spend the cash on a weapon light myself. My 2Cents.0 -
I have Crimson Trace grips on my sig p220 and like them. I don't use it as a duty weapon but wouldn't mind. Not all situations where you point your weapon require you to actually pull the trigger. A bad guy with that little red dot on his chest is more likely to retreat than to step forward. It is an obvious fact that it won't make up for poor shooting and one should practice etc etc... but it is a very intimidating thing to have that simple little red dot on your chest. It also illuminates the target very well. I've heard that some agencies that have gone to lasers actually have a lower rate of officer involved shooting, might be due to the little dot causing folks to mind their manners better. Mine is durable, rain isn't a problem. I wouldn't look at it like a substitute for training but as an additional tool to use in your favor, you don't have to turn it on if you don't want to highlight yourself. If you have the money I think it's an asset.
Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue.0 -
I have crimson trace on my S&W J-frame and couldn't be happier.
CONTACFRONT has his opinion, but I feel he is wrong. Lasers are a tool just like the iron sights are. If used properly they are excellent.
Great battery life, haven't had to re-zero even though they are on a small frame lite wieght .357.
Mateomasfeo
"I am what I am!" - Popeye0 -
Matomasfeo,
I agree it is a tool but let me ask you this, when you draw your weapon and train with it on a range, do you use your iron sights or a laser? If you are using iron sights, why use the laser?
If you are using your iron sights you already have good sight picture and alignment. But now if you are looking for a lil red dot before you pull that trigger, that is a lot slower than using your iron sights.
Thumper,
Agreed that a laser MAY be a deterent, but so is looking down the barrel of any weapon. RED dot or not if someone points a 1911 at me I am sure going to comply quick. Also you mention using a laser to illuminate a target? Sorry I don't think so. Would you take the risk of shooting a non-threat using a lil tiny light in darkness to identify a threat or non-threat or a 125lumen light to blind/identify.
Just through my training and experience I have never seen a laser deployed in a shoothouse or even in a low light CQB course. Lots of surefires and weapon mounted lights though. To each their own.0 -
2 friends have them,,and after me playing around with them on targets and in old abandoned barns and the like,.I would have to agree that the iron sights are much much faster for a self deffense situation. JMHO
neat as a toy and for taking your time to shoot a group,..but in an adrenaline thick moment,..I'm far better with iron sights and a high cap mag.
why chase the game when the bullet can get em from here?....
Got Balistics?0 -
quote:Originally posted by ContacFront
Matomasfeo,
I agree it is a tool but let me ask you this, when you draw your weapon and train with it on a range, do you use your iron sights or a laser? If you are using iron sights, why use the laser?
If you are using your iron sights you already have good sight picture and alignment. But now if you are looking for a lil red dot before you pull that trigger, that is a lot slower than using your iron sights.
I practice with laser, sight picture and with neither. I don't use a phillips head screw driver on a flat head screw either.
Mateomasfeo
"I am what I am!" - Popeye0 -
If you buy a laser, the Crimson Trace is the best! I have one on my Sig 229. Very accurate, holds zero, and dependable. Also easy to install and get to zero. Hope this helps
Opinions are like azzholes, eveyone's got one, and this just happens to be mine!0
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