Target pistol?
I was looking at several target pistols, and wanted your opinion on which one is best. I've seen their various models. They all have a particular version which is suitable for me (barrel length, scope rails, etc...). But I don't know which would be more accurate, reliable, etc...
Beretta U22 NEOS
Browning Buck Mark
S&W Model 22
Walther P22
I also saw a large variety of .22 target pistols from Ruger as well.
What are your opinions?
Beretta U22 NEOS
Browning Buck Mark
S&W Model 22
Walther P22
I also saw a large variety of .22 target pistols from Ruger as well.
What are your opinions?
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What are you going to use it for Bullseye competition, plinking or hunting? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Clarentavious
I was looking at several target pistols, and wanted your opinion on which one is best. I've seen their various models. They all have a particular version which is suitable for me (barrel length, scope rails, etc...). But I don't know which would be more accurate, reliable, etc...
Beretta U22 NEOS
Browning Buck Mark
S&W Model 22
Walther P22
I also saw a large variety of .22 target pistols from Ruger as well.
What are your opinions?
This is going to sound elitist, but if you are really serious about target shooting (ie bullseye) I'd avoid all of those. They lack the high precision accuracy, and crisp clean trigger pull that a competitive gun has. For only $250, you're just not going to find those features, along with great sights.
Find yourself a Smith and Wesson model 41 or a used High Standard pistol. Yes, even the cheapest of those will cost about twice what the above low-end .22s cost, but trust me, if you plan on doing a lot of target shooting, you will NOT regret spending the extra money.
High Standards, in particular, are not that hard to find, and will give you (pun intended) a tremendous bang for the buck. They are simple to take down and maintain, super accurate, and have extremely nice light crisp triggers. At the suggestion of some of the board members here (especially Bobski) I just got one and was so pleasantly suprised by how good it shoots that I will NEVER go back to one of those low-level .22s for target shooting again.
If you really aren't that serious about target shooting, or are on a limited budget, out of the ones you listed above, I'd stick with either a Bull barrel Ruger .22 or the Browning Buckmark. Some people prefer the Brownings over the Rugers because they are easier to take down, and have the nice day-glo sights. Others favor the Rugers because they are more ubiquitous and aftermarket parts are a bit easier to find. Either one would make an OK (but low-end) target gun or plinker. The Buckmark target version is a reasonable choice for a target gun, but at $400, now you're starting to get into the price range of a beat-up High Standard.
I'd definitely avoid the Walther. For what it is (a small rendition of a larger service gun in .22 intended for plinking/training) its not a bad gun, but in my opinion its just too small, finicky, and lightweight to make a serious paper-puncher. I've never shot a Neo or one of the low-end Smith .22s so I can't comment on those.0 -
If you are serious about it there are three High Standards Supermatic Citations I still have left in my auctions,(like item #27379434) and these are in excellent like new condition, not beat-up. Sorry, I just sold two High Standard Olympic models. But these will definetely tickle your fancy and hit the bulls-eye every time. I still have another Olympic which I have since the seventies, and you could never get me to part with it. It's all in the feel and balance, and that sweet trigger. 0 -
I'm kind of looking towards bull's eye competition, but not quite that serious.
I am on a somewhat limited budget. A new S&W model 41 looks like it runs about $1,000 I'd have to save up for probably at least a few months before I could consider that.
Anyone know anything about the S&W 22 ?0 -
I've seen a few mod. 41's on the auction section. You might want to check this possibility out. I bought a new one in 2001 for $750 and have been very pleased with it. 0 -
Hello Some of The S7W model have a 'POT METAL' slide I would avoid thos models. Use a magnet to tell if the one you are looking at has a steel slide. This is going to sound like a broken record but find a used HIGH STANDARD. You can pick up a used S&W 41 somewhere about $550.00. but with any used gun try to get a chance to shoot before You spend the money. Call N R A and ask if any BULLS-EYE clubs near you and contact them . Most of them will have a member that would be happy to let you shoot one of their "SPARE" guns. If you live in Va. contact me . quote:"PRAISE THE HARDBALL GUN" 0 -
I would stay with S&W 41 or Hi-Standard mil type like everybody suggested.
Take a look at this Russian IZH-35M target 22
They use to be around 400.00 about 4 years ago
You have to love the European Technology
Note the low bore, about even with the wrist
All kinds of trigger adjustments
full walnut adjustable heal grips
Rail mount included
But this gun might have trouble with American ammo which is an easy fix and can be sent back (I'm Told) for free repair
I shot about 100 rds out of this one and I liked it...........I don't shoot as much as I use to so I can't really grade this model.
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purpose of target shooting is to win. you put good money into a good gun and then work on improving your ability without blaming the gun. hi standards hold their value and are one of the FEW that go up in value. pay the bucks and go to bed knowing the gun is doing its job. when you pull out a hi std at the range, the others will know youre serious. where were you in 1958? thats how old this gun is and it will clean the clocks on 90% of the newer guns today. this particular gun will shoot same hole at 25yds and sold for approx 250.00 back then. its worth over 600.00 today. THAT is a good investment. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Clarentavious
I'm kind of looking towards bull's eye competition, but not quite that serious.
I am on a somewhat limited budget. A new S&W model 41 looks like it runs about $1,000 I'd have to save up for probably at least a few months before I could consider that.
Anyone know anything about the S&W 22 ?
Though the "list" price is $1000, new 41s in the box go for $785. I've seen used but indistinguishable from new 41s for $700 even, and if you were patient and asked around you could probably find one in great shape for $650 or less.
I don't know much about the Smith 22s (held one, never shot it). . .but I've heard the triggers arent very good. I think if these were any kind of a bargain, I would have heard about them by now. Personally, I wouldn't bother with one. If you're going to go the route of the cheapie gun, you're probably better off with the Ruger. They are roughly the same price, tough as bricks, and there are plenty of aftermarket parts available to spruce it up later, should you want to do that.
(I'd also suggest avoiding that as well. If you're going to take a $300 Ruger and put in a target trigger and sights and hammer, and barrel, and grips, by the time you're done you will have spent as much money as on a better target pistol, but what you've got will have less resale value, and you'll have been better off just buying the good pistol to begin with).
I recently managed to get a well-used (but fully functional) High Standard Citation for under $500. This is literally the nicest .22 I've ever shot. If you figure that a Browning target model costs $400, or the mediocre target model Ruger goes for $350, you're IMO better off holding out for the High Standard. Trust me, when you feel that trigger and see how easy it is to care for this gun (compared to the Ruger), you WILL NOT regret shelling out a bit more cash. The other thing is, even though a High Standard costs more, if you then turn around and want to sell it, you can recoup everything you paid for it, or even maybe do better.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
purpose of target shooting is to win. you put good money into a good gun and then work on improving your ability without blaming the gun. hi standards hold their value and are one of the FEW that go up in value. pay the bucks and go to bed knowing the gun is doing its job. when you pull out a hi std at the range, the others will know youre serious. where were you in 1958? thats how old this gun is and it will clean the clocks on 90% of the newer guns today. this particular gun will shoot same hole at 25yds and sold for approx 250.00 back then. its worth over 600.00 today. THAT is a good investment.
Hey Bob. Nice gun! Even though mine is identical, I didn't recognize yours at first cause I've never seen it without the match grips!
Anyway, just to be a wise acre, if you paid $250 for something in 1958 and its only worth $600 today you're up 140 percent on your investement. That's only a few percent a year, and its actually not that great of a return for a 46 year time period. (You don't even want to think what it would be worth today if you had bought $250 worth of IBM in 1958 instead!).
Looking at this differently, the High Standard is a good gun because its just an extremely well designed gun built by hand to super high tolerances with the shooter in mind. Its just a great shooting gun, period whether in 1958 or in 2004. If the gun was actually worth $250 in 1958, adjusted for inflation, it *should* be worth $1500 today if it were in brand new condition.
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
So for a gun that should be worth $1500, if you can pick one up for only $600 in good condition, I think you are doing pretty damn good!0 -
"im looking towards bulleye competition but im not quite that serious," is an oxymoron.
you cant be interested in bulleye competition and NOT be serious. either you compete.....or you plink. let me see if i can help here.
plinking goes with cheap guns. if you plink you look for a cheap gun.
if you compete you look for guns with a little more. why? its a gun that will shoot thru the same hole and:
it fits in your hand properly
has match sights
sear adjustment
backlash adjustment
easy breakdown and cleaning
interchangable barrels
a winning reputation
high resale
ive never known a COMPETITOR who isnt serious and most COMPETITORS like shooting with other competitors because they know they are in the company of serious shooters that arent going to crossfire on their target and ruin their score. (unlike rifle, pistol refires take the low 10.) so, if youre showing any interest at all in COMPETING, at least go with a gun that will show the others you are SERIOUS enough to invest in a good gun. you will get more respect and get more pointers, since they will know its not the guns fault for missing and can help you.[;)]
former air operations officer SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 2. former navy skeet team, former navy rifle/pistol team member. co-owner skeetmaster tubes inc.. owner/operator professional shooting instruction. NRA certified instructor.0 -
beantown, last count i had 23[:I]. this one is a different one! on the investment side....you forgot the winning trophy purses won $$, zero maintainance, and compared to guns sold today and how fast they depreciate. remember....they will NEVER MAKE GUNS handmade the way they did in the 50's and 60's. btw...NIB hi stds with boxes and papers DO go for 1500![:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by wallie
I would stay with S&W 41 or Hi-Standard mil type like everybody suggested.
Take a look at this Russian IZH-35M target 22
They use to be around 400.00 about 4 years ago
You have to love the European Technology
Note the low bore, about even with the wrist
All kinds of trigger adjustments
full walnut adjustable heal grips
Rail mount included
But this gun might have trouble with American ammo which is an easy fix and can be sent back (I'm Told) for free repair
I shot about 100 rds out of this one and I liked it...........I don't shoot as much as I use to so I can't really grade this model.
I just picked up one of these a couple weeks ago at a show. NIB w/2 mags and a rail for 350.00 tax included. The finish leaves a little to be desired,and the gun seems a little "clanky" but I was highly impressed with the accuracy. I shot three types of ammo,all American made,and they all performed flawlessly. I would put this gun up against any out of the box pistol except a High Standard,but for the cost you can't beat it.0
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