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Winchester Model 1912

jeff witmer
Can someone tell me how much a Winchester Model 1912,model#160761
nickel steel with #11 under the butt plate mite be worth. Need to
know how much insurance to put on it.It was made for Louisiana State Penitentiary in Angola, LA
The barrel and recever is nickel steel. It is abount 95cent.
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  • jeff witmer
    I have a Winchester Model 1912 that has been handed down through family. Serial #176334 - est date of manufacture is 1918 - It is in Good to Excellent shape (Small chip off of the butt plate and triangular piece of the wood in same location) Could you possibly give me a value for it? I presently use it to hunt Ducks/Geese and am wondering if I should be looking at putting this one in storage and getting something to bang around with. Depending on what you can give me as an estimated value, it may help with my decision...

    Thanks in advance!!

    Jamie
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  • wap41
    $450. range
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  • gunut 1
    barrel should be 25in measured down the barrel to the bolt face with the action closed and a empty chamber...sounds like a 2nd year gun[1913]...first year guns were up to sn.5308. sounds like a decent early model 1912

    gunut
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  • only winchesters
    Hello Jeff, welcome to the forum. Well this is kinda of a "catch 22" gun. These early 20ga. guns have/had a short chamber. The Chamber length should be 2&1/2 inches. Now quite a few of these were opened up over the years to 2&3/4s and if Winchester did it they would run the roll die over the barrel marking it for 2&3/4. If a good gunsmith did it he would steel stamp 2&3/4. So with that being said, if it still has the 2&1/2 inch chamber, there isn't much of a demand, for these because you have to special order shells for them. Now if it's been opened up, it's no longer original. Now being all original you may get it for as little as $300. if you hagle, but I wouldn't go much over $400. This first style with a 13 groove forearm was only made through 1915. Now if the chamber has been opened up it's not original, I would definately not go over $400. because it's only a shooter since it's been altered, although still nice to own. Regards Dave
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  • jeff witmer
    If I go into oldguns.net and pick winchester on the left side, then pick model 1912 and put in 30000 for a serial # it's telling me it was made in 1912. If I put 35000 in, it says 1913.Where did you get your serial # reference for the year 1912?

    Thanks

    quote:Originally posted by gunut 1
    barrel should be 25in measured down the barrel to the bolt face with the action closed and a empty chamber...sounds like a 2nd year gun[1913]...first year guns were up to sn.5308. sounds like a decent early model 1912

    gunut
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  • gunut 1
    Dave Riffles book, George Madiss book, Blue Book of Gun Values, They all agree on the early years of production serial number ranges...its later on that disagreements pop up....

    gunut
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by jeff witmer
    If I go into oldguns.net and pick winchester on the left side, then pick model 1912 and put in 30000 for a serial # it's telling me it was made in 1912. If I put 35000 in, it says 1913.Where did you get your serial # reference for the year 1912?



    Hello Jeff... I have posted this many times before (and I do realize that you are new to this forum)... the serial number to Date Of Manufacture (DOM) information contained on the oldguns.net and armscollectors.com websites are horribly inaccurate for most of the Winchester firearms Models. For what it is worth, Winchester delivered the very first Model 1912s to warehouse stock in August of 1912, and while they were very very proud of their first non John M. Browning designed slide-action shotgun, they did not produce more than a few thousand before year's end. The single best source of information concerning the Winchester Model 1912/12 is Dave Riffle's book - "The Greatest Hammerless Repeating Shotgun Ever Built The Model 12, 1912-1964" ISBN 0964428105

    Bert H.

    Real Men use a SINGLE-SHOT!
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  • only winchesters
    Good morning all: There are few things one has to keep in mind. Receivers were serialized upon the last machining operation. The records that authors like Maddis and Riffle used, were completed guns, that went to the warehouse. They are both real close, on the serial numbers for a first year guns, one says 5306 the other says 5308. Which means 5306 or 5308 were delivered to the warehouse by Dec. 31st 1912. Could have Receiver 8xxx been machined before Dec. 31st. 1912, most definately, but it can't be considered a first, "Calender" year gun, but a "running year" (meaning within the first 12 months of production)yes it can. I know this is a little game of game of words here. A good example of this is the sister gun the Model 42, the machining records show, for the first year that 16,281 receivers were machined, however there were only 9398 completed guns delivered to the wharehouse for 1933 the first year of this gun. Hope this clears a few things up.

    So Jeff, you can say that this Model 12 was made in the first 12 months of production, which covers the last half of 1912 and the first half 1913. Regards Dave
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  • jeff witmer
    You guys are great!!
    Thanks for all the helpful info!
    I truly got an education.
    Thanks again
    Jeff
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