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Miruku Over and Unders - Value?

confluencetrader
I purchased two Miroku Over/under shotguns model 800's from an estate. One in 12 guage and one in 20 guage. They are in the original boxes with the original reciepts and all paperwork. They were purchased back in 1973. Never fired and still have the antirust stuff on them that was never removed. Outside of the boxes being aged, they are right off the shelf.

Does anyone have any idea of the value of these guns? I know that this is the company that now manufactures for Browning and others in Japan and at one time they were sold under the Miroku brand in Europe and popular. These were purchased by a US military officer when he was stationed in Germany in the 70's.

Any help would be appreciated.

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  • perry shooter
    I would say $800.00 + or - each This is NOT the best time to be selling to get top $$$
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  • confluencetrader
    Not a good time to sell due to the holidays or something else?

    What would be good timing on something like this?

    Thanks!
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  • 22hipower
    Not a great time to sell due to the general economy not being good and lots of people are pressed to make house and car payments and aren't in the shot gun market. Also not the best time of year for shotgun sales; better towards late summer when folks start thinking about bird hunting again. Do the guns have screw in chokes? Probably not given early 70s manufacture. I think the $800 estimate for each is about right. Maybe a little less if they're tight fixed choke guns; e.g. full and mod.
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  • confluencetrader
    It is interesting. They are fixed chokes. The manuals say the barrels are marked as to the choke code, but I can not see them anywhere on the barrel. The original inspection cards from Miroku are included in the paperwork and indicate that the 20 guage is mod and an improved choke. The 12 guage inspection card indicates the barrels are modified and full chokes. I can not tell which barrel is which on the guns, but could figure it out on paper (not that I plan to fire them).

    How does this effect the values? Amaizing that all the infomation is there. Is there a collector market for these?
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  • Zinderbloc
    Fixed chokes are correct for these 1970's-era shotguns.

    There's an old trick for determining a full choke 12 gauge barrel. On the 12 gauge the barrel that is Full choke won't allow a US dime to enter the muzzle. The dime will just barely fit in the Modified barrel.
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  • golferboy426
    These will/should be marked not really on the barrels but on the flats at the chamber end on the left side I believe at least mine is. I go to several live gun auction houses's auctions. Used these always bring a minimum of 700 + a 15% buyers premium. If I had them and they were either SK/SK or IC/mod I wouldn't take less than 1000 each. They are by far better than any current production gun in that range
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  • Stevan1
    MIROKU!
    Do not be in a hurry to sell, that's for sure. If you hunt, keep one for yourself. It will be worth it. I wish I had a couple of Miroku guns today that I foolishly sold many years ago. Including a side by side 12ga. marketed by Charles Daily but made by Miroku. I think actual name may be B.C. Miroku.

    Miroku made fine quality guns in the 60's and 70's with fixed chokes that are in my humble opinion equal to some of the best made in the US at that time. My favorite guns regardless of who marketed them in the above period were Miroku. They are a superior duck and pheasant gun. Far better than many new ones you can buy today.

    There are some old guys like me, that would sure like to have one more just for nostalgic reasons if nothing else.

    Time is on your side, because you have a couple of very fine performing and excellent quality shotguns. Beware anyone wanting to buy them just to get them away from you.
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  • amblerrl
    aren't these the same as the browning citori's or at least the same manufacturer
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  • Stevan1
    quote:Originally posted by amblerrl
    aren't these the same as the browning citori's or at least the same manufacturer


    I am not certain, but I do believe you are correct. Probably even a
    lot better quality. If I were him, I would sit on these and do one heck of a lot more research.
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  • confluencetrader
    Before I get way over excited about them being Citori related, I know from what I have read so far is that they manufactured shotguns for Browning and Charles Daily. I read they now manufacture for Winchester as well and no longer have their own brand marketing.

    Stevan1, I put one together (they are broken down in the box) and put it on my shoulder for the first time after reading your post. It mounts and swings very well! I have no plans to sell them any time soon and will keep them in the box with the grease on them and unfired. I paid a minimal amount for them on the chance that they would be worth more than the price which sounds like they may be. I figured a couple of guns, unfired with a known pedegree would have to be worth something to someone, somewhere.

    Thanks for all the comments. I need to research how to contact Miroku. Perhaps they can give me some additional info on what other brand names were attached to this gun.
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