22 long vs 22 long rifle
Probably a stupid question, but what is the difference between a 22 long and a 22 long rifle?
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Bullet weight and powder charge, case dimension is the same.
The only Longs you can find anymore are CCI CB Longs. If you have a rifle chambered for Longs, try .22 HiSpeed shorts, my rifles get much better accuracy with them.0 -
In simplified terms the .22 Long is a lengthened .22 case using the 29gr bullet from the older .22 Short. It was not a really great combo, fairly disappointing in accuracy and the .22 Long is more or less obsolete. The .22 Long Rifle arrived about 20 years after the .22 Long, used the same basic case as the Long but added a 40gr bullet and proved to be a huge success offering much greater velocity and accuracy. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rwald51
Probably a stupid question, but what is the difference between a 22 long and a 22 long rifle?
Not a stupid question at all.
As Mr. Christian indicated, the .22 long uses a similar case, but a lighter bullet and a lesser powder charge compared to the "long rifle". The original .22 long powder charge was 5 grains of black powder. Here is the picture worth 1000 words:
From left to right: .22 short, .22 long, .22 long rifle:
Note that all three use a "heeled" bullet. Unlike most cartridges, the part of the bullet lodged into the cartridge case is actually narrower than the full/true bullet diameter.
As mentioned, .22 long is a fairly anemic round, and there are very few manufacturers still putting out the ammo. In addition to CCI, Aguila also makes these (or used to).
Utility of this round is limited, but its not zero. The rounds are quieter than .22LR, and have less energy, which can make them a bit more suited for casual indoor shooting or "backyard" plinking (where legal, of course!).
The standard-sized case also means they are more likely to feed correctly in semi-automatic and other repeating .22 guns, even if they generally lack the power to cycle semi-auto guns.0 -
I love the 22 Long! The CCI version was very very accurate in my Remington 514X rifle, and it shot the lighter bullet which was perfect for my squirrel hunting needs. I live in a rural area but still didnt want any bullet that missed a squirrel causing problems, so i figured the lighter the better. 22 shorts were ok, but not as accurate as the 22 long, and the case fed better than the 22 shorts. Remington brand 22 longs were SO INACCURATE (like 6 or 7" at 50 yards if I recall) that I suspected foul play by Remington (make them inaccurate so they can end production w/o an outcry)! The CCI's however did under an inch at 50 yards ( from a bench) and like I said were my favorite squirrel load. Alas....people badmouthed these simply becasue they heard everybody else say they were useless and now CCI no longer makes them. I always cringed whenever I heard about how useless they were...it is not like a discontinued centerfire round where you can make your own if you have to...with the rimfire it is just another choice available to shooters and I never understodd why anybody would want it discontinued. 0 -
So did you buy up a few 1000 before they went out of production? 0 -
I always thought of them as a 22Short in a LR casing 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rsnyder55
I always thought of them as a 22Short in a LR casing
That's probably not a bad way to think of these things, though I believe they are actually a bit more powerful than a standard .22 short
I think of .22 longs as one of the light-bullet "hypervelocity" rounds, only loaded to normal velocities!
Anyway, so far as I can tell, CCI still offers both ordinary high-velocity "longs" and low-velocity "CB longs".
I just saw some of these for sale only a few weeks ago, and they are still listed on CCI's website:
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=1&loadNo=0029
Any number of retailers seem to have them in stock, eg:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=638772
The CB longs are particularly nice because they're fairly quiet, yet still have enough power to kill small pests.0 -
I have a friend, who was long on experimentation and a little short on wisdom. He would pull the bullet out of two longs; pour the powder into one case and then seat a bullet back into the case. He would then hollow point the bullet and then shoot it out of his bolt action. They blew up better than stingers...but I am sure the pressures were really dangerous. We chrono'd a few, they were going almost 1700 fps. Chrono'd stingers were only going 1500 fps or so. PLEASE NOTE I am not recommending or even suggesting someone should even consider should a dangerous practice!! 0 -
The 1000 word picture is marvelous! I just gotta ask, where did you find it? Was it a "factory" make up, or did someone make it up as a project? If so, how did they do it? Just curious?[:)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 5mmgunguy
I have a friend, who was long on experimentation and a little short on wisdom. He would pull the bullet out of two longs; pour the powder into one case and then seat a bullet back into the case. He would then hollow point the bullet and then shoot it out of his bolt action. They blew up better than stingers...but I am sure the pressures were really dangerous. We chrono'd a few, they were going almost 1700 fps. Chrono'd stingers were only going 1500 fps or so. PLEASE NOTE I am not recommending or even suggesting someone should even consider should a dangerous practice!!
I definitely would NOT try this.
There is especially no need to do so today, since safe "hypervelocity" loads are readily available and relatively inexpensive. Interestingly, IIRC the fastest of these (the Aguila Hypermax loads) DO clock about 1700 fps with a 30 grain copper-washed bullet. So being Devil's advocate, while your friend was probably generating greater than usual pressures, they may not have been truly "dangerous".
Also to be Devil's advocate, there can be a lot of steel in bolt action rifles.
Consider that a .22LR is loaded to 24,000PSI. Now consider that a .222 remington or .223 is loaded to 50,000PSI and a 30'06 to 60,000 PSI, and both are probably strong enough guns physically to handle a bit more without catastrophic failure.
As more food for thought, you may have heard of people converting .22 AIRGUNS into single-shot .22LR guns by reaming out the chamber. People build .22 zip guns out of stuff like car antennas. I'd like to think that a strongly built modern-steel .22 rifle ought to be able to safely handle MUCH greater pressures than that generated by the round, which goes back to the black powder era.
The limiting factor for safety here is probably the strength of the brass, not that of the gun.
Also, pushing ordinary lead bullets up to 1700fps is likely to result in fast barrel leading.
For Hawkster, I found the cutaway image of the .22 rimfire rounds with a quick Google image search then "hotlinked" it. I had nothing to do with generating it.
I don't exactly know how it was done, but one way you MIGHT go about doing it is to CAREFULLY pull apart the rounds, dump out the powder and weigh each charge, shoot the empty cases (or dump in some kind of solvent) to inactivate the primer, grind/cut the bullets and cases in half (with a dremel, for example, also being careful with any generated lead dust), lay the cases down on a flat surface then add back 1/2 the powder to each.0
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