Extraordinary 45 ACP shooting
I ran into a guy at our local range that did what I thought was some extrordinarily good shooting. He took some 2 inch wide by 1/4 inch thick boards three feet long and put them into the ground, the 1/4 side toward himself and then at 7 yards shot 8 of the ten completely in half and the remaining two he hit he just didn't shoot them completely in half. That was impressive, but the next thing was even better. At three hundred yards he put up a 3 ft x 2 ft target. Then he shot five shots and hit it all five times. This was all off hand, using a two hand hold he called a modified weaver stance (if I remember correctly) with a Colt 1911 45 ACP government model, which had been worked over. I was impressed. Would like to hear others thoughts...said he use to work with a guy named Jeff Cooper in AZ...ever hear of him?
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I find it impressive that he knew/worked with Jeff Cooper. Would've liked to pick his brain. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 5mmgunguy
I ran into a guy at our local range that did what I thought was some extrordinarily good shooting. He took some 2 inch wide by 1/4 inch thick boards three feet long and put them into the ground, the 1/4 side toward himself and then at 7 yards shot 8 of the ten completely in half and the remaining two he hit he just didn't shoot them completely in half. That was impressive, but the next thing was even better. At three hundred yards he put up a 3 ft x 2 ft target. Then he shot five shots and hit it all five times. This was all off hand, using a two hand hold he called a modified weaver stance (if I remember correctly) with a Colt 1911 45 ACP government model, which had been worked over. I was impressed. Would like to hear others thoughts...said he use to work with a guy named Jeff Cooper in AZ...ever hear of him?
I kind of find that laughable...."Jeff Cooper in AZ...ever hear of him?"
Sounds to me like he is not lieing to you about working with Jeff Cooper. Jeff was a leading gun scribe, and avid combat handgunner...not saying he didn't know how to wield a shotgun or rifle either.
A friend of mine routinely goes to the Black Water Worldwide training center for handgun courses. They have instructors there who hit a 12"x12" target at 300 yards, while it is moving...with a Glock Model 19. At 7-15 yards, they will draw a smiley face on the B-27 type target in about 2 seconds.
So yes, if this gent at your range had that type of training, and was a student of Jeff Cooper's, then what you seen is the norm for him.
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Thats pretty good shooting....extrordinary, no. I have shot flying birds out of the air with a revolver on several occasions.
When I attended OSS at Camp San Luis Obispo years back, they had a guy that would hit a steel target approx 3' X 2' at 800 yds with a 1911 pistol. If you practice and have a pre-determined aiming point, it can be done.
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45 ACP at 800 yards-WOW! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
Thats pretty good shooting....extrordinary, no. I have shot flying birds out of the air with a revolver on several occasions.
When I attended OSS at Camp San Luis Obispo years back, they had a guy that would hit a steel target approx 3' X 2' at 800 yds with a 1911 pistol. If you practice and have a pre-determined aiming point, it can be done.
Who's Jeff Cooper.....[;)][;)]
quote:Originally posted by 5mmgunguy
45 ACP at 800 yards-WOW!
As hokey as it sounds there is a trick to it. My first thought was that you had to hold the muzzle above the target and guess where you were shooting. When what the shooter did really, was mark gradiations down the top back of the slide. He holds the front sight on the target and the rear sight down to the gradiation of range that he is shooting. It's a tough shot no matter how you do it. But under ideal conditions, with plenty of practice, it can be done on a relatively consistent basis. The cost of most of this 'extreme shooting' is that the military pays for the ammo. Were you or I to go out and buy or load up this much ammo it would put a serious dent in the bank account.
When in my military days I got to attend some SOT training. We had guys there that routinely shot 100 yds with a .45 one handed. One guy (apparantly bored with his training routine) actually hung upside down and performed the trick. {edit:} The theory being, if}the bullet will get there you can put it on target.
The big qualifyer in all this, to me anyways, was this was trick shooting. Impressive but not practical by any means. You aren't going to be presented with many 800 yd. shots in a combat situation. It is wasting ammo, at least with a pistol. That's not what they are for. A precision rifle or a rifle equipped to take that shot still has a relative low first hit ratio. That's what that kind of shot needs to be left to.0
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