BY LAW RCVR. MUST HAVE MFG. NAME?
I've an M-1 Garand to sell and the rcvr. is a Commercial one. It was not made at any of the U.S. Gov't amouries. The serial # is on the left side of rcvr. along with importer's mark. I don't recall a manufacturer's name anywhere. I've been questioned on this and the potential buyer informs me that "By law the receiver has to have a manufacturer's name on it." What law? I've advertized this as having a Commercial Receiver. I don't really know who made it. What do I do? Is this gun illegal?[B)]
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The buyer is wrong. 0 -
What does the importers marking say? If it is CAI (Century Arms International) then it is one of their own receivers ([xx(]) which they manufactured and then assembled into a complete rifle. 0 -
First of markings were not required till 1968 so many early guns do not even have serial numbers.
Second whenever someone tells me something is illegal I simply ask them to prove it. If they are right it will be easy to prove, if not then maybe they will learn something new.
Here is a link to the ATF that talks about marking,
http://www.nfafun.com/legal/markings.pdf0 -
Thank You. It appears this buyer is a "street attorney." My M-1 rifle I bought "new". From what I've gathered so far it was assembled on a new cast receiver made in the U.S.A. Serial # was stamped on side of rcvr. NOT on heel like USGI's were. C.A.I. is the importer that assembled these. I find no reference that they Made/Mfg these rcvrs. They are good shooters with little or no collector interest. Mine was a true "mismaster" of parts with a new 1961 Danish bbl. "VAR" with no throat erosion. Other parts by Winchester, Springfield and IHC are represented on this piece. So I know that C.A.I. imported these parts kits from Canada, AND assembled rifles on new rcvrs. made in the U.S.A. Again....I'll stick to my statement: "I do not know who made these rcvrs." There is nothing stamped on it to say "Mfg. by......." I do know I glass bedded this rifle and have shot it the last several years in the local John C. Garand matches. Shooting only ball ammo G.I. or my own assembled with 150gr. FMJ over 48 grains of IMR 4895. Seems to run fine.[:)] 0 -
Century Arms produced their own receivers in the back some garage in Georgia and then took parts kits and turned it all into a complete rifle, these were not imported as complete firearms by Century. It is understandable your wanting to avoid using the the name Century Arms when attempting to sell your M1. 0 -
Kind of like the AK-47 kits. You can buy a kit and then for around $12.00 buy a sheet of steel with lazer cut holes and mgazine well cut in it, all flat. This you can get without a FFL as it's simmply a piece of flat steel. Bend at the right places, weld in the rails, rivet in the front and rear trunion and then assemble the rest of the innards, barrel, stock and so on and you have a home built AK-47. No SN, no mfg name, but it's yours and not for sale legally.
You can also do the same with an AR. Just buy an 80% complete lower, put it in the many dril jigs that are out there, drill the holes, tap the rear where the stock screws on, anodizes it if you like, and then drop in the AR parts kit. You now have a fully funcional AR lower, complete with everything to make the upper work and shoot. Again, no SN nor name on the receiver. Again, it is only for YOU and not for sale as you don't have a manufuactures license, but you can make them, all you want, in your garage for your own personal use.0 -
There is no need to flagellate the deceased equine.
Nwcid gave you the legal reference showing that the manufacturer's name IS required on the receiver. Mark explained that CAI IS the manufacturer. I can't think of any manufacturer that stamps "mfg by" on their guns, but there probably are some. It really doesn't matter; that notation is not required. If your potential buyer doesn't believe you, don't waste your time; find someone else.
Hopefully you are successful convincing a buyer that yours is a reliable shooter. Most CAI receivers are so poorly made that few rifles function reliably.
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Unless of course it is home made. Any non prohibited person can build a firearm as long as it is within both federal and state law .There is no limit as to how many can be made in a year .The BATFE "suggests" that you include a serial number for identification in case it is stolen .
To be sold homemade firearms are subject to the same regulations as a dealer .If they remain in your private ownership for a period of one year minimum they can be transfered without being on a 4473 form .
With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a nonlicensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from making a semiautomatic assault weapon or assembling a nonsporting semiautomatic rifle or nonsporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machinegun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a federal or state agency. [18 U. S. C. 922( o), (r), (v), and 923, 27 CFR 178.39, 178.40, 178.41 and 179.105]0 -
The receiver has the builders name already on it: CAI. The problem is that he wants to believe that CAI is the importer and not the firm that produced the receiver. We went around on this over on the CMP Forum and he got the same answers he got here:
CAI produced the receiver.
CAI M1 receivers are not held in high esteem.
The man is not building a receiver, he already has one and it is correctly marked.0 -
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