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  • quickmajik
    I'd stick with a good knife. it is harder for an advesary to steal away a blade then a blunt instrument... If you arent trained in its use and faceing a person with alittle martial skill, God forbid, you might well be the one who ends up in a bad way..JMHO..



    To deploy them, You flick your wrist and it telescopes out and locks... Get one with a foam handle. I'd keep it in a close guard strong side and put up my left hand to fend destract and or whatnot.. It would be dumb to lead with it until you know you have em beyond fighting back..
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  • William81
    I am guessing you do not live in Illinois....[}:)]
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  • o b juan
    get a gun and if you live in illinois come on down to Texas.
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  • Spartacus
    quote:get a gun and if you live in illinois come on down to Texas.

    I've been carrying for 5 yrs. the knife is for situations when pulling a gun wouldn't be warranted or defensible in court. thought the baton would be a good alternative to the knife in some situations. kinda like the idea of being at arms legnth from my adversary. I guess i should look into the training for it.
    thanks
    tom
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  • lendie
    Baton ,???? you need a special License or its a FELONY in most States.D
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  • countryfarmer
    CCW license will cover a baton as well as knife and gun in Ky and I imagine most others too.

    Personally, If I have to defend myself I'll let my S&W do the talking. I want to stay away from the loonies as far as I can.
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  • nmyers
    There are a few localities where batons are specifically controlled. But, in all the others, they are like a baseball bat: use it as a deadly weapon, you can be charged with ADW.

    Remember, many police carry batons, but only as a non-lethal alternative to their (usual) lethal alternative. Personally, I never want anyone with felonious assault on his mind to get that close to me. If I'm going to "reach out & touch him", it will be from a distance.

    This LEO made the mistake of getting too close to a perp with a knife, believing that his extensive training would be enough to allow him to disarm the guy:

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    I have no intention of making the same mistake.

    Neal
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  • quickmajik
    quote:Originally posted by dano
    The ASP Baton requires less training, than say a PR-24 does. I seriously doubt the one you are considering is an ASP brand.

    ASP trng. usually consists of about 8 hrs. for certification. A PR-24 requires at least 16 hrs., if not a little more.

    Obviously you can buy one w/o trng. or certification. But....if you ever actually have to use one, the subject of trng. will most likely come up in some form or fashion.


    I dont care what uncle sam says, 12 or 16 hours of training is nowhere near enough.. JMHO..
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  • beantownshootah
    If you're looking for a non-lethal alternative to a gun, check out pepper spray.

    Baton can be a highly effective weapon (IMO better in some ways than a knife because of significantly increased reach and ability to deliver less than lethal injury) **BUT** you're NOT going to just pick the thing up and quickly master it.

    Learning to fight with any hand-to-hand weapon (including a knife or baton) is complicated, and will take many hours of training and practice, generally WITH A PARTNER to simulate real attacks and defenses.

    If you don't know what you are doing with a baton (you can't just swing it like a baseball bat and expect a good result), it won't be effective, and a skilled assailant can quickly disarm it (faster than a knife).

    On knife legality. . .if you pull a knife you are employing deadly force, period. So far as I know that is true in every jurisdiction on the planet.

    There may be situations where you can get away with carrying a knife but not a gun, and in such cases it might be worthwhile to have the knife (rather than no weapon at all). But if you think you're going to "get away" with something LEGALLY speaking by pulling a knife instead of a gun. . .its not true anywhere that I know of.

    If you pull a knife, legally speaking its no different than drawing your gun.

    If you do that without appropriate justification you may well be going to jail. Further, if you are the one who initiates the deadly threat (eg by pulling a knife during an argument), then someone else may be fully justified in retaliating with deadly force. . .eg by immediately shooting YOU.

    The point is if you aren't justified in drawing a gun, I don't see how you would be justified in drawing a knife.

    Further, in many jurisdictions, the CCW/LTC permit does **NOT** give you the legal right to carry a knife. So you actually could get in MORE legal trouble by stabbing someone than by shooting someone.

    The same is true of a baton in many (though not all) jurisdictions. If you employ a baton, legally speaking you are using a deadly weapon. . .only you're using one that has significantly less real world lethality than a knife or a gun.

    In my opinion, if you're going to employ deadly force, then you might as well use a gun, since its likely to be more effective.
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  • leeblackman
    If you buy an expandable, get an asp brand. There are alot more uses than "defense" for the little baton. They make a great little trail blaser, as opposed to a machette, and don't hurt so bad if you overswing a bit and catch your shin, well not as bad as a machette might. Seriously, probably one of the best little hiking companions I've found. Anyway, whole point I was saying, I've had a couple off brands, and haven't found one yet that isn't made of less than desireable metal that warps or gets messed up real easy and doesn't close and open properly, but that ASP brand, you'd be supprised at the stuff I've taken a swing at with it and it still opens and closes fine.
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