Needing a Quality Pistol
Hello fellow Gun enthusiasts!
I am in the cash and carry business and am seeking Professional help in the line of a knock down pistol. I know there are hundreds upon hundreds of choices and I am slightly confused. I want a 45 lc auto. but know how big and bulky it can be.....I have looked at the springfield .40 auto and kinda like those. I am real interested in a Scorpion semi auto made in the czech republic but it is just a .32 caliber. I also shoot hogs and need the gun to be powerful in sporting as well as a life preserver...? any ideas I haven't thought of?
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jbm
I am in the cash and carry business and am seeking Professional help in the line of a knock down pistol. I know there are hundreds upon hundreds of choices and I am slightly confused. I want a 45 lc auto. but know how big and bulky it can be.....I have looked at the springfield .40 auto and kinda like those. I am real interested in a Scorpion semi auto made in the czech republic but it is just a .32 caliber. I also shoot hogs and need the gun to be powerful in sporting as well as a life preserver...? any ideas I haven't thought of?
signed
jbm
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hmmm... where to begin?
There's no such thing as 45 lc for Long Colt, it's just .45 Colt, and it's an ancient revolver round, not chambered in any known semi. I believe you're thinking about the .45 ACP round, famous in the 1911 type pistol renowned for it's computer mouse killing ability.
The various squishy-trigger 9mms and .40 S&Ws are great for what they aspire to be, namely issue items for semi-trained civil servants.
A Scorpion has the special qualities of being both oversized and underpowered for anything bigger than rabbits, unless you plan on making execution-style shots. Gotta ask, what do you currently use on hogs?
Given your post, I'm going to conclude that you really need some starter level console, so I'll give my usual first defensive handgun advice: Get a used .357 revolver, with a 4" barrel, from Colt, S&W, or Ruger. Start off with .38 Specials, which work fine in .357 revolvers, and work your way up to the magnums. (Just remember to clean out the chambers real well after using the specials.)0 -
You've been given good advice.
W.D.0 -
First, dump the Scorpion as an option. I suppose it's a fun gun but it isn't a good carry choice and being able to stitch out 30 or so 32 ACP rounds isn't much good for hunting.
I don't think you can buy one gun that will do (well) what you want. Sure, you could buy a 3" Smith 57 (or 24 or 25) that CAN do both, but it's heavy for carry and a 3" barrel is a bit tough to shoot well.
I'd suggest buying a J frame Smith & Wesson in 38 or 357 for self defense or a small (3" barrel) 9 or 40 or 45, Kahr makes a bunch. Then buy 6" barreled revolver in 357 Magnum or above for hogs. Two separate purposes require two different guns.0 -
I second the ideas given above.
If you must go with a semi auto any 9mm, .40, or .45 will be fine for defense purposes if made by a quality manufacturer. It's all about what you feel comfortable with. For hunting though, none are really ideal. The .45 would be acceptable for hogs at close range, but due to the limitations imposed by cartridge dimensions, you're not going to get the power out of a semi as you will out of a revolver for hunting.0 -
If you are looking for a good pistol with knockdown power in semi-auto then anything with a good reputation in 9mm, .40 or .45 ACP. such as Sig, Glock or Colt (well known clones like Kimber, Springfield, etc.)
The other thing you need to look at is quality ammunition. Don't just buy the least expensive ball ammunition. Buy a good defensive type bullet. You can practice with the less expensive stuff, though.
I think MrOrange gave some good advice in that you can get a .357 and shoot .38 special through it. Revolvers are reliable if not high capacity. that is if you would consider that. I'm not a revolver guy myself but you can learn a lot by shooting them.0 -
Pretty good advice already given.
If you want a gun that will work for:
a. shooting hogs and potentially
b. shooting bad people.
Then forget that .32 Scorpion. As it was originally conceived as a FULL-AUTO machine pistol WITH FOLDING STOCK, that gun might have some LIMITED use as a close range defensive, or more likely OFFENSIVE weapon.
But as a semi-auto. Gun is too bulky, too weakly powered, and too expensive for anything but a novelty. FORGET IT.
The big problem here is that guns that lend themselves well to hunting hogs don't lend themselves well to concealed carry.
For a hog you want a pretty powerful gun with a long barrel to help aiming, and possibly adjustable sights for more precise aiming. You'd like an all steel gun since heavier guns absorb recoil and also stabilize the guns for easier aiming. Unfortunately, long barrels make it hard to conceal guns, heavy guns are fatiguing to carry concealed all day, and adjustable sights tend to snag when drawn from concealment.
If you are interested in "power" for general defense, any quality auto in 9mm, 40SW, or 45ACP could work, as could any revolver in 357 magnum.
Other slightly more "exotic" rounds that could also work well include 357 SIG, .38 Super or 10mm for autos, and 44 special,.45 Colt, or .41 magnum for revolvers. But ammo for these rounds is usually a bit harder to find and more expensive than the others, so unless you have lots of money to burn for ammo, I'd suggest sticking with the more common rounds.
I'd agree that if you have to have ONE gun for both purposes, a .357 magnum revolver is probably the best compromise there. I'd say look for one with a 2.5" - 4" barrel.
If you prefer an auto, then a .40 SW or .45 ACP semi-automatic would probably be the best practical choice in terms of caliber.0 -
Follow Mrorange's advice. This is ALWAYS a good place to start! 0 -
Get a 45 because shooting twice is just plain silly. 0 -
great advice given already? personally im not a revolver guy. i have a glock model 27 .40 smith and i love that gun. its suppose to be subcompact and i think its easly conceled and shoots pretty good. fun to reload if your into that, not to expensive to shoot alittle more than an 9mm not as bad as a .45acp i also have a kimber .45 but now gettin up there in price. and a bunch of .22LR autos. i like automatics if you need an auto and your only buyin 1 gun get a .45acp you wont regret it. if your like me youll end up with both because i think shootin handguns is really addictive and you wont stop at just one gun. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Joe Bill
Hello fellow Gun enthusiasts!
I am slightly confused. I want a 45 lc auto. but know how big and bulky it can be.....I have looked at the springfield .40 auto and kinda like those. I am real interested in a Scorpion semi auto made in the czech republic but it is just a .32 caliber.
signed
jbm
With calibers ranging from .32 to .45 I'd say that is an understatement. Narrow the calibers down, let us know what you decide and then come back for more friendly advice.0
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