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colt saa valuation mfg 1876 sn# 315xx

web3221
blueing 93 to 96% good clean looks orig, 7+" barrel, all ser numbers match, inspectors initials on frame in front of trigger housing, l.a.c. i think, grips walnut perfect no chips cracks etc, with very minor sand paper marks, have not taken off grips to verify inspector marks inside. story in family is it belonged to cole younger, hard to believe cause a hard driven criminal would not have any gun in this good condition. only reason i got it out of many grand children was i was named after him, he died when i was 6yo, and on his death bed he only knew me and my grandmother, just before he passed called me , "his Little Partner. sorry got off topic, inside the barrel it is very clean and shiney with no visible signs of pitting, i was always if shooting never use todays modern ammunition, sort of moot, will never shoot it. it also has a handmade sheep skin holster that was handmade by an amateur, but made for 5 inch barrel. it also has aftermarket colt cylinder and 5 inch barrel that did not come with orig colt.

looking for any info i can get, want to get colt authentication letter, and would to know real value, and history of the colt, or how i may find it, any help appreciated.

i also got an 1861 about 30 inch long, 19cal. muzzleloader and only markings are the 1861 and a name C Gluager, going from memory spelling may not be correct it is in mint condition with a nice chunk of german silver in front of the forearm

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  • Spartacus
    Uh HUh,
    cole younger died in 1916, that makes you about 100 years old, right?
    You'd be better off saying the gun was owned by a more recent person, like Al Capone, and you wone it from him in a knife fight. (that's how he got his nickname......)
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  • Old-Colts
    From the information you've provided it is impossible to provide you with an evaluation of authenticity or value of your Colt Single Action. For authenticity and a reasonable estimate of value we would need clear high resolution pictures posted so we could make a determination.

    As far as the provenance you've mentioned the hearsay information would have to be validated with real and verifiable documentation and it is doubtful that the information would be available from Colt.

    However, a Colt Archive letter can be obtained and it would cost $100 and would take 90-120 days to get the information. However, for $150 the information can be obtained from Colt with same day service. Here is the link to the Colt Website and you can call the numbers listed to begin the process.

    http://www.coltsmfg.com/archive.aspx

    The letter will verify the as shipped configuration and in very rare instances it will list the individual buyer along with the "shipped to" information, but most of the time it will only list the dealer that ordered the gun.

    Here is information on how to post pictures:

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
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  • web3221
    TPLUMERI _ no i am 58 yo, my dad born 1924, my grandfather born 1875. if that's any of your smart alec business. you remarks are not welcomed, there no excuse for you acting like obnoxious child. [8]

    quote:Originally posted by tplumeri
    Uh HUh,
    cole younger died in 1916, that makes you about 100 years old, right?
    You'd be better off saying the gun was owned by a more recent person, like Al Capone, and you wone it from him in a knife fight. (that's how he got his nickname......)
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  • web3221
    Thank You OLD_COLTS, I appreciate your info
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  • Old-Colts
    quote:Originally posted by web3221
    Thank You OLD_COLTS, I appreciate your infoIf you elect to provide us with pictures, make sure you have clear pictures of all markings, especially the frame marking you posted; this is very important for authentication.

    By serial number (1876) this Colt would have been manufactured in the John T. Cleveland inspection period for Cavalry Models. So, if this gun was originally on a government contract and was condemned and moved to civilian production there may be some government inspector's marks along with the condemnation marking. There are several possibilities for what is really stamped on your frame, but without a clear picture of that area I won't speculate at this time.

    Since you didn't mention it I assume there is not a US stamped on the left side of the frame behind the patent dates.

    What is your gun chambered in? It should be marked on the left rear trigger guard flat. However, it might be stamped on the left front or rear trigger guard bow.
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  • givette
    Open question to all:

    If the original poster (web3221) were to use the insta-check by phone, and pay the $150, would the payment include a followup hard-copy of the same information in the form of a factory letter??

    Thanks, Joe
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  • Old-Colts
    quote:Originally posted by givette
    Open question to all:

    If the original poster (web3221) were to use the insta-check by phone, and pay the $150, would the payment include a followup hard-copy of the same information in the form of a factory letter??

    Thanks, JoeJoe, yes it will, same hardcopy letter. The Archive letter will arrive in about 2 weeks instead of 90-120 days. I've used the express call in service on occasion when I needed to know the same day about a gun's configuration or shipped to information.
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  • web3221
    45LC , single action, sn 315xx, colt, saa, this info is from dads inventory sheet from his local gunsmith

    there is no US anywhere
    on the cylinder only the last 4 digits of the sn show 15xx, on the cylinder there is a very small stamp looks like jtc with another "c" after the last cabout 1/2 letter space higher
    serial # is on trigger housing just behind the screw toward the trigger guard
    just forward of the trigger guard on the frame itself are the initials LCD sort of in a triangular form with the "C" dropped little lower than the L and D.
    i have taken all the pictures i can without taking apart the walnut grips. but i do not how to post, they may not be good cause the camera i have is not very good, but i can email them to you if u wish, but none of the close detailed pictures came out, the pictures of the whole colt are so so, got any ideas, thanks again
    the patents listed are
    sept 19, 1871
    july 2, 1872

    i read in my dads old gun book there were actually guys inspecting and using their initals, some in fighting going or something ????

    i cannot find no cal. marking anywhere
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  • Old-Colts
    Here is my guess; you have Colt that was originally on a government contract, but was condemned and moved to civilian production. There were a few Single Actions during the time when John T. Cleveland (JTC inspector markings) was the Principal Sub-Inspector and Lewis Draper, who assisted him, stamped a few frames with his stamp "LD". I suspect that you have a LD frame with the "C" condemnation stamp. The cylinder was inspected by Cleveland (JTC).

    From what you've said about the clarity of the pictures it probably wouldn't help to send them to us as we need close-ups with clarity to be able to really know if your Colt is original. If you'd like to send me the pictures, just e-mail me through my profile and I will respond. You can then attach the pictures and send them to me.

    In order to post pictures you would need to host them on a website such as Photobucket, which is free. You can then link to them in a post here on your thread.

    Threads on Ask The Experts will be locked shortly after the 10th post, so if your thread is locked and your questions haven't been answered, please start another thread with the same title continued.
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  • web3221
    thanks so much
    where could i maybe go locally dfw area for good pix
    also if i do the colt quick analysis what would they require, i have had request for callback several days now, will this analysis have most detail available, is there a better way to go the dollars required are not an issue

    my email is listed also, i think
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  • GuvamintCheese
    It sure would be nice if you would post those photos here so we can all learn and enjoy.
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