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willysjn
Any ideas on where one could find IJ dates by serial number?
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  • b.goforth
    yes, post the information listed below; while this information is for the safety automatic revolver it can be adapted for just about any of iver johnson's models.

    INFORMATION NEEDED TO IDENTIFY
    IVER JOHNSON'S ARMS & CYCLE WORKS SAFETY AUTOMATIC REVOLVERS

    1. EXACT MARKINGS;
    A. TOP OF BARREL
    B. LEFT SIDE OF BARREL
    C. BOTTOM OF BUTT STRAP

    2. SERIAL NUMBER FOUND ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE GRIP STRAP UNDER THE GRIP PANEL (MAIN LOCATION SINCE 1896). THE SERIAL NUMBER FOUND ON THE BOTTOM OF THE TRIGGER GUARD WAS ONLY USED AFTER 1904 AND SINCE TRIGGER GUARDS ARE INTERCHANGABLE AND THIS LOCATION DOES NOT HAVE THE LETTER CODE IT CANNOT BE USED FOR PROPER ADINTIFICATION

    3. BARREL LENGTH;
    A. STANDARD BARREL LENGTH FOR LARGE FRAME IS 3 ? INCHES
    B. STANDARD BARREL LENGTH FOR SMALL FRAME IS 3 INCHES

    4. HAMMER SPRING
    A. FIRST AND SECOND MODELS SINGLE FLAT LEAF
    BLACK POWDER MODELS
    B. THIRD MODEL CAPTIVE COIL
    SMOKELESS POWDER

    CALIBERS:
    A. FIRST MODEL LARGE FRAME HAMMER OR HAMMERLESS 38 S&W (5)
    FIRST MODEL SMALL FRAME HAMMER 22 RIMFIRE, 32 S&W (5)
    FIRST MODEL SMALL FRAME HAMMERLESS 32 S&W (5)
    B. SECOND MODEL LARGE FRAME HAMMER OR HAMMERLESS 38 S&W (5)
    SECOND MODEL SMALL FRAME HAMMER 22 RIMFIRE (7), 32 S&W (5)
    SECOND MODEL SMALL FRAME HAMMERLESS 32 S&W (5)
    C. THIRD MODEL LARGE FRAME HAMMER OR HAMMERLESS
    32 S&W LONG (6) AND 38 S&W (5)
    THIRD MODEL SMALL FRAME HAMMER OR HAMMERLESS
    22 RIMFIRE (7), 32 S&W (5)

    bill
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  • willysjn
    I'm new at this Bill. I should have specified that I was trying to
    date 2 TP22 pistols and I don't see them listed on your website. I
    know these are not very collectable but I was just curious as to
    their dates. One is AE32809, the other is AE59103.
    Also, is the "Model D" as shown on Bob's Gun Parts site the same as
    the "Pony Pocket 380" listed in the Blue Book? Thanks. Charlie
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  • b.goforth
    will answer the easy one first. the iver johnson pony 380 acp was manufactured as the firearms international model D before iver johnson purchased. most parts are interchangable but there were two types of recoil springs and two type of extractors.

    only recently have i begun to study the TP Series of handguns. i have discovered there was only one serial number series and it went from AE0001 or AE 00100 up (i own number AE00327). these poocket pistols were manufactured between 1982 and 1989. i am not sure what the highest serieal number for the TP22 is but i would say your lower serial number was mid production (about 1984/1985) and the higher number would be late production (about 1988/1989).

    several years ago i tried to get the iver johnson serial number post 1968 out of the BATF but they made it so expensive i could not afford them. their reasoning was these are not public records so they could charge what they wanted for them. although it is mandatory for a firearms company to turn over these records when they shutdown.

    bill
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  • willysjn
    Thanks, Bill. That's very helpful.
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