Desert Eagle .50 cal
I'm inquiring about the Desert Eagle .50 cal. I've heard the recoil is so bad it throws off your target. I think the recoil would start after the bullet left the chamber. It's such a quick process, I just can't see it throwing off your target though. Thanks for your help.
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Recoil on a Desert Eagle .50 is big, but not unmanageable. Fear of recoil is a big factor in accuracy-develop a flinch and you may as well not bother shooting.
It will come back and smack you in the face - if you let it. A lot of the kick is absorbed by the gas operation / recoil spring chambering another round.
You must develop your own technique. Mine is to let the gun ride up and just use the weight of it to absorb the shock. I can shoot magnum loads all day using this technique. I have used it and found even the S&W .500 magnum round with CorBon hot loads to be controllable. Fight the recoil and you will get beat down by half a box of ammo.
Practice is key. I can shoot a .44 magnum revolver as fast as a .22 auto. I hold the gun down in line and rapid fire it. My hands will hurt for a day or so, but this can be done. It is a great self-defense technique in the mountain environment I live in. I don't know of anything around here, either four-legged or two-legged, that is going to absorb 6 240 grain magnum slugs in around three seconds without having it's day ruined, no matter what kind of dope it's on.
Of course I am also a large individual and have been shooting for about 45 years-small folks shouldn't try this gag at home.
The 50.AE gun is too large and heavy to carry aound. THE OTHER CONCERN WITH THIS CALIBER IS THE COST OF SHOOTING IT - AMMO IS EXPENSIVE.
If you shoot much, you'll want to reload unless you have very deep pockets.
If there is an indoor range near where you live you may be able to rent one and try it out. A very good idea, since you are talking $1000 or so for the handgun.
Hope this helps - and good luck.0 -
In order to shoot a Desert Eagle 50AE you must have large hands. The Desert Eagle is a massive gun. My son had one he has since sold. He could shoot it accuratly out to about 80yards, and he liked the gun, but decided he wanted a 454 so sold it in order to get one. With my small hands I never could shoot it. I fired two shots and both felt as if I was going to drop the gun so I didn't fool with it again. 0 -
I don't have large hands, and I can handle the DE 50AE. It IS a handful, but doable. 0 -
like bigboss said,it will smack you in the head if you let it,and cleaning it the first time will be a challenge putting it back together,20 minutes later,couple choice words,and the manual is not much help... 
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Why not a DE .44RM? 12 round aftermaket mags, and hot 300, 320, and 330 grain 44 mag loads are available, not sure if they will fit in the mags tho. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ac0220
I'm inquiring about the Desert Eagle .50 cal. I've heard the recoil is so bad it throws off your target. I think the recoil would start after the bullet left the chamber. It's such a quick process, I just can't see it throwing off your target though. Thanks for your help.
If you're anticipating the massive muzzle blast and recoil of a large-caliber firearm you can flinch and that WILL throw you off target.
That's probably what you are talking about here.
Mechanically, this has nothing to do with recoil. If you have this problem and I were to secretly drop a dud cartridge into your gun, the gun would move when you pulled the trigger (because you'd be jerking the gun) even though there was no shot fired at all (and therefore no recoil).
Now apart from that, in practice, because of the laws of physics recoil begins as soon as the bullet starts moving, which is to say BEFORE it exits the barrel.
In the case of a REALLY high power gun, especially if you hold it loosely, this recoil actually CAN affect the point of impact of the weapon.
Now, if you are a good shooter you should be holding the gun tightly and consistently, so that you both minimize any effect of recoil on aim AND whatever muzzle rise happens before the bullet leaves the barrel is already taken into account by your sight adjustment.
quote:bigbossman Posted - 11/14/2009 : 02:29:56 AM
Practice is key. I can shoot a .44 magnum revolver as fast as a .22 auto.
. . .6 240 grain magnum slugs in around three seconds. . .
While I agree that practice is key, and I absolutely do believe that you can put out 6 240 grain .44 magnum slugs in 3 seconds from a double-action revolver (even accurately), just to be clear here 2 shots per second is NOTHING with a .22 auto.
Any novice shooter ought to be able to empty a 6 round clip from a .22 auto in only 2 seconds flat (which is 1/3 faster than 3 seconds). In fact, its not all that difficult to put out 6 semi-aimed shots in that time, say point-shooting to hit 6 different balloons at 5 yards, and I've actually done just this.
If you're just talking about getting lead out the gun as fast as possible, emptying a six round clip from a .22 auto in 1.5 seconds isn't even all that demanding.
I suspect I could do it in under ONE second, though that's going to take a small amount of practice and be a little bit dependent on the gun in question, both in terms of its trigger reset length and cycle time.
With a stock double-action .44 magnum revolver, you probably can't even pull the trigger that fast on an EMPTY gun, let alone one actually firing high powered loads.
Edit, this is pretty timely. Here is a recent article from Slate magazine addressing this very issue. Clink on link for references:
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http://www.slate.com/id/2235051/
FBI studies have shown that a novice can fire three shots in less than a second, and a trained shooter can double that. (Two of the officers in the 1999 Amadou Diallo shooting emptied their 16-bullet magazines in about four seconds.0 -
I beg to differ with you on one point, beantownshootah; the speed of shooting a double-action revolver accurately.
I was once shooting by myself at a Maryland law-enforcement range while a class was under way in a nearby building. One of the other instructors was teaching the classroom session, so I decided to get in some trigger time with my duty weapon.
Two federal officers came up from the other combat range nearby and paid me a grest compliment without knowing it; they asked me who was shooting the short bursts with the automatic weapon.. It was just me with my duty .38 Model 64 S&W. One says to the other " See-I told you the only thing that limits a revolver rate of fire is the shooter." All of my shots were combat point-shooting at seven yards-and all in the kill zone. Average time--2 seconds.
I have been shooting for around 45 years - and playing bass guitar with those same fingers for about that same amount of time.. It makes for some fast hands. I think I'll get myself a decent .22 auto and see just how fast I can play that...Should be interesting. Happy Holidays ....
EDIT: Read the article-very timely. We must be typing at about the same time, too.0 -
pistol can get so hot from the exploding gunpowder and the bullet screaming through the barrel that the cartridges ignite without the trigger being pulled, a situation called cook-off. The heat might also cause the barrel to deform slightly, decreasing accuracy./quote]
i gotta call BULLSKIT on "exploding gunpowder", it burns, there is no "exploding", "the bullet screaming through the barrel", pure unadulterated hype and more "BULLSKIT", where in the "HECK" do these writers come up with this crap ? movies ??0 -
I never owned one but a fellow at a range I was at offered to let me try his. The thing definetly recoiled but that wasn't the thing I remembered most. It was the fact that the empty cases came straight back at you as opposed to the side. When I fired the first 2 shots the empty cases struck me in the forehead. When I fired the 3rd and final round I tried to bring my head down a little so as to not have this happen again but it still caught me in the top of the head. You have to remember those empty cases have a little weight to them and are fairly large. They were at the very least annoying let alone they stung when they hit. To me this would more likely cause you to miss your target than the recoil. The tought of getting dinged in the forehead after every shot wouldn't make me shoot any better. I know some are wondering if this was a fluke in the gun that could be adjusted. I wondered about that as well. I then found an old article in a "Gun tests" magazine where they were testing the exact same gun. You care to guess what sort of quirk they were experiencing as well. All I can say is after my experience with this gun in that caliber is that I wouldn't buy one unless I could test fire it first. Theres no way I would put up with that sort of crap every time I fired it considering how much thay cost. Just my 2cents worth.[xx(] 0 -
Just for the heck of it I went to "Youtube" to see if there are any videos of someone firing a Desert Eagle .50 cal. Low and behold there are. Any in some of them if there filmed at the correct angle you can see the cases coming back and hitting the shooter in the head. Theres one in particular where the guy is from I believe Denmark. Just thought you might find this interesting.[?] 0 -
your not shooting the newer model,you could send those models back to to the factory to correct the problem,probably 10/15 year old gun you were shooting 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigbossman
I beg to differ with you on one point, beantownshootah; the speed of shooting a double-action revolver accurately.
All of my shots were combat point-shooting at seven yards-and all in the kill zone. Average time--2 seconds.
With due respect, and again taking nothing away from your shooting (which I do believe, and is impressive), you may want to re-read what I wrote.
While doing it with a revolver is notable (though see below), any competent novice (including individuals who have literally never shot a gun before in their entire lives) can spit out six bullets from a .22 auto in two seconds flat. That's trivial. . .nothing to talk about. Its not even very impressive to look at.
But the difference between putting out six bullets in THREE seconds vs. TWO seconds vs. ONE second is not small. . .its MASSIVE.
Its like the difference between an internationally respectable Olympic 100 meter dash speed of under 10 seconds vs. a pretty good high-school gym class track sprint of 15 seconds, vs six year olds running across the playground playing "tag" at 25 seconds. They're just totally different leagues.
If you look at the actual WORLD RECORD in double-action revolver shooting, Jerry Miculek put out EIGHT aimed shots from a tuned .357 magnum revolver in about one second flat (though I believe he was using standard .38 wadcutter-type rounds, not true full house magnums). See here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giSaNiQ-Wb4
Note that this guy is probably the fastest DA revolver shooter in human history.
Its not depicted in the above video, but for comparison to your story, Miculek has put out FIVE (not six) shots from a Smith 64 revolver in .54 seconds into a playing card sized group to replicate Ed McGivern's historic record. He can probably do the same with six shots in under 0.8 seconds.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_170_28/ai_n6040335/
So I stand by what I said before, which is that unless you happen to be one of the fastest competitive shooters in the world, you're probably going to be shoot your .22 auto faster than ANY revolver. Its not that it isn't *possible* to shoot revolvers super-fast, just that .22 autos are so easy, you're going to shoot them faster.
Its because the .22 auto has effectively zero recoil, the trigger movement is about 1/4 of an inch, the pull resistance is maybe 4 lbs. Compare to a double-action revolver which has a trigger pull length of probably 3/4 - 1" against a trigger pull weight of at least 8-10 lbs.
By the way, since you brought up playing musical instruments, I don't think you can compare speed of playing a bass guitar (or any other instrument for that matter) to shooting speed. They're just totally different things.
A competent flamenco guitarist can EASILY play 3 complete tremelos a second, each one comprising 5 individually picked, clearly articulated notes. That's 15 separate clearly sounded notes a second, without even stretching.
If you consider rasgeados, the same player should easily be able to hit 3 rasgeados per second, each one involving five separate finger strokes across 4-5 strings. So now we're at SIXTY (yes 60!) notes per second. Since these are strums, they aren't going to be quite as clearly articulated as the individually picked notes of a tremolo, but either way we're explaining the blinding machine-gun like speed usually associated with flamenco guitar.0
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