How to ID a bolt action 270 MIL IMP?
I've had this rifle since I was a young boy, given to me by my father. It's a beautiful jeweled bolt action in 270. The only nomenclature on it anywhere is 270 MIL IMP. No manufacturer or serial anywhere I can find. He bough it from an old Austrian Master gunsmith (family friend)back in the early 60's as I recall. Any idea where to look?
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Your first step would be to put up a set of close clear pictures of the rifle.
Is it standard .270 Winchester or a wildcat or improved chamber that the MIL IMP might refer to?
No doubt an Austrian master gunsmith could start with a surplus Mauser and make as nice a sporting rifle as you liked, and not bother to put his name on it. There are a lot of guns like that around and no prospect of learning any more than the bare facts of their existence.0 -
The engraving was done by Marcus's friend in Austria, a Hans (I'm going to kill this name) Oberchnick Jr who was in his 80s at the time I'm told. (He did this and dads Weatherby) It shoots 270 Winchester 
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Nice rifle. A commercial Mauser, strange there are no markings on the action at all and no proof marks on the barrel. Old Redfield scope in Buehler mount is quality equipment for the day.
I still have no idea how to decode the MIL IMP.
There is a well known Austrian engraver Hans Obiltschnig, although by the age it sounds more like his father Albin Obiltschnig.0 -
It is a commercial Mauser 98, possibly FN given the period it was purchased. If you pull the action out of the stock you may well find a serial number and the FN logo below the woodline. You ask is the "anywhere to look"? What are you looking for; info, numbers, history? In the early 60's there were many semicustom Mausers made and sold by small batch but otherwise unknown riflesmiths. This was because good barreled actions were available from FN and later other sources for reasonable cost. If you have the info you should write down the particulars of who made it, engraved it and for who it was made; sort of a provenounce(sp). The vast majority of these rifles out there have no data on who made/stocked them. 0 -
I would have no idea how to remove the action, I was hoping a location would be available without disassembly. Wyoming critters are safer with this back in the basement [:)] 0 -
My only thought to the caliber designation is that it was named that so they could use U.S. .30 Cal brass and modify it. But, I would have thought the .270 being proprietized in 1925, there would have been .270 Win brass around. Other than that possibility, I'm as stumped as the rest.
However, BEAUTIFUL RIFLE! I love seeing that kind of work. I'm certain it probably shoots as good as it looks.
Do the cases look the same when they come out as when they went in?0 -
No, the little pointy thing on the end is missing...sorry, had to.[:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by iamsandan
No, the little pointy thing on the end is missing...sorry, had to.[:D]
Ya got me...[:D] Just making sure the cases {not in including the bullet[;)]} came out formed the same way as when they went in.
You know with my first post I'm looking at it that because the two men who worked on the rifle were from Europe. And I don't know the popularity of the .270 Win over there. I know post-war, FN made actions/rifles that Sears/ JC Penney's(?) sold here commercially and they were labeled .270. But that was because there was a clear 'American' market. Otherwise, I'm thinking that maybe the .270 never achieved status above a wildcat over there. Ya think?[;)] that's my take on it, but I don't know why it's called what it is on that rifle.0 -
iamsandan,
I haven't had the time recently to devote to the research questions but I can comment on where the identity could be located.
For a few years, M98 actions were released in a 'sanitized' condition, without exterior marks that can seen without removing the action from the stock. It's not that the marks were removed as from other countries but they were just not put on.
Look at the bottom photograph of the trigger guard of your Mauser. The two screws are called action screws which function to hold the barreled action and the trigger guard in the stock in alignment. All you have to do is remove those two screws and both parts, the action and trigger guard can be removed for examination. Be sure to use properly ground gunsmithing srewdrivers so as not to damage the screw slots. If this is not in your range, just take it to a gunsmith for a few minutes of help.
If you take the barreled action out and rotate over so you can see the bottom of the action and barrel, you should see some marks. One should be on the bottom of the recoil lug and at least one other one on the flat behind the lug. Then look at the sides of the tang which is the protrusion at the back of the action where the rear screw attaches. There can be a mark or two there. Look at the bottom of the bolt handle where it attaches to the bolt body. Sometimes there is a small stamp at that junction.
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