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Winchester Model 1890

tooper
I HAVE A WINCHESTER MODEL 90 THIRD MODEL IN .22WRF WITH A ROUND BARREL -NOT OCTAGON. THE SERIAL NUMBER IS 580417 ON BOTH THE LOWER TANG AND UNDER RECEIVER MAKING THE MANUFACTURE DATE 1917. I CAN FIND NO ROUND BARREL 1890 RIFLES IN .22WRF - IS THIS A REBARREL? WINCHESTER LOGO MARKS ARE BOTH ON BARREL AND RECEIVER IN PROPER LOCATION. THANKS FOR ANY HELP.
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  • tooper
    Winchester model 1890 what is the value?

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  • tsr1965
    tooper,

    Hello, and welcome to the forums here on Gunbroker.

    In order for us to give you an accurate evaluation, we are going to need to see some good pictures. there is a sticky thread near the top of the "Ask the Experts" forum, that explains picture posting. You will need a photohosting website like photobucket to do so.

    We have a few resident Winchester experts on here, of which Bert H is also one of the forums moderators. I am sure he will be along shortly.

    Best
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  • shooter10
    tooper
    Yes, Bert can tell you to the month when it was made but according to my 2006 Standard Catalog of Firearms - Ned Schwing - they were made from 1890 to 1892 and about 15,552 (Bert will probably heve better numbers on this too). But it is all about condition. A very nice firearm for collectors if the condition is good. I am going to guess your rifle was made in March 1891...See what Bert says.
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  • Bert H.
    Serial 9942 was manufactured in the latter part of November, 1891.

    Based on the serial number and date of manufacture, it is a First Model, and therefore, it is potentially worth a lot of $$$$.

    In order to give you a reasonably close estimate of the value, I will need to see detailed pictures of it. First Model 1890s can be worth anywhere from $1,500 - $15,000... it all depends upon the precise graded condition.
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  • tooper
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  • tooper
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Serial 9942 was manufactured in the latter part of November, 1891.

    Based on the serial number and date of manufacture, it is a First Model, and therefore, it is potentially worth a lot of $$$$.

    In order to give you a reasonably close estimate of the value, I will need to see detailed pictures of it. First Model 1890s can be worth anywhere from $1,500 - $15,000... it all depends upon the precise graded condition.
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  • Bert H.
    OK, this is my opinion as to its current value...

    The condition is "Fair", and as such, it is worth about $1800. It is a prime candidate for a professional restoration (and not by Turnbull).

    If you list it here on Gunbroker, start it at $1800 with no reserve.
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  • BigLoop22
    Bert,

    I hope this is not a delicate matter, but can you please explain why Mr. Turnbull should not restore the Model 1890 in question?

    EDIT: Thanks, tsr1965 & Bert, for that perspective.

    Thanks,
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by BigLoop22
    Bert,

    I hope this is not a delicate matter, but can you please explain why Mr. Turnbull should not restore the Model 1890 in question?

    Thanks,


    I am not Bert, but will give you my take on this. I will let you in that I know Doug Turnbull personally too, as one of our local boys.

    When Doug does a restoration, he takes the rifle back to factory original...NIB, but goes even beyond that. He has some of the most beautiful color case hardening I have ever seen.

    When a restoration is done...IMHO, it should take into account, that even if the gun is 125 years old, its characteristics are going to age, even if it remains NIB, but well cared for. color case hardening will change color, wood will change, and even some blueing will turn plum brown or brown patina. This rifle is over 100 years old, and it should look like a rifle that is 100 years old, not one that Left the factory yesterday. Don't get me wrong, Doug does fabulous work, and if you want an immaculate work of art that is as new or better embelished as when it left the factory, then Turnbull is the place for you. If you want it to look NIB, but 100 plus years of age, then it is not.

    Bert will advise you wheree you can take it to get the NIB but 100 years old restoration.

    Best
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by BigLoop22
    Bert,

    I hope this is not a delicate matter, but can you please explain why Mr. Turnbull should not restore the Model 1890 in question?

    Thanks,


    It is not a delicate subject at all. In my persoanl opinion Turnbull does top quality refinish work, which is not the same as a true restoration.

    More to the point, every single one of the Turnbull Winchesters (lots of 1886s) I have had my hands on was over polished prior to being re-case colored or blued. As originally milled and polished by Winchester, the steel parts are not smooth like glass... but when Turnbull is done with them, the receiver frames and other parts are polished to the point that they are overly (too) smooth. That fact is why his case colors look so brilliant and deep. I do not care for the barrel bluing either, as he apparently uses a hot tank, whereas Winchester used the old style of rust bluing (the barrel and magazine tube should be more of a blue grey versus the deep dark blue).

    Again, Turnbull does exceptionally fine "refinish" work, but it is not a true "restoration".
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  • rusty shackelford
    what he says makes sense !

    rusty
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