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Has anybody ever seen these, or know what type of bullet/caliber they are? Bottom of the bullet says R A 4 (if this is any help)

-looks longer then a .44 magnum
-has red bullet head. (i'm not sure what it is made of)


IMG_2154.jpg

Thanks,
Brett
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  • countryfarmer
    Some type of shot cartridge by the looks of it and for a semi-auto pistol guessing by the rim design. Maybe 45ACP???
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  • Hawk Carse
    .45 ACP shotshells.
    Probably made out of .308 or .30-06 rifle brass but I don't recognize the headstamp.
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  • Tailgunner1954
    quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
    .45 ACP shotshells.
    Probably made out of .308 or .30-06 rifle brass but I don't recognize the headstamp.


    45acp shot cartridge by Remington Arms, 1944 manufacture (ground the 3 off of the '43 bunter, and reused it in '44). In collector circles, this is a fairly common cartridge.
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  • coledigger4
    I have a couple of questions about this cartridge; will it actually cycle in a 1911 style 45 ACP, why were they necked down, I was under the impression that case length was fairly critical on semi-auto pistols so wouldn't necking them down screw up the head space?
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  • Geri
    CCI makes shotshells for the 45 acp. Look like those except the case is aluminum. These fuction fine in my 45.
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  • Tailgunner1954
    quote:Originally posted by coledigger4
    I have a couple of questions about this cartridge; will it actually cycle in a 1911 style 45 ACP, why were they necked down, I was under the impression that case length was fairly critical on semi-auto pistols so wouldn't necking them down screw up the head space?

    CD
    IIRC they won't cycle a 1911, requiring a manual working of the slide between shots. These were intended for survival usage IE: shooting a rabbit of bird for dinner
    See the shoulder on the case? It's in the same location as the mouth of a standard 45ACP case, the reduced portion is where the bullet would normaly be. The reason for the extended case is to hold the shot, the mouth is "sealed" with a top wad just like the old paper shotshells used to be.

    Bottom row, center, is another one like the posters, next to a 45acp Thompson SMG riot load, you can see that the shoulder and mouth line up with each other
    Cartridges020.jpg
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  • coledigger4
    Thank you, now it makes sense. I didn't realise that the shot case was longer than the 45 ACP case.
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