S A xdm 40
i picked this pistol up back in march. a few weeks later was able to put some rounds down range without a hiccup. now i just took it out for the second time shooting it and it is giving me major truobles. i have fiocchi 165ft hornady xtp hps with a nickel case , some 165gr fmj from georgia arms(factory reloads) and some federal 180gr fmj. every one is failing to feed almost half the time. i lock the slide back. insert a mag. hit the release switch and a round will get loaded half way into the chamber and get stuck. seems like the case is getting stuck on something???
it is clean. i took it apart ran a boresnake through the barrel oiled everthing and whiped off all areas that looked dirty. (i ran around 50rd through it today.) as it was doing it at the range i was told mabye my grip on it wasnt sturdy enough. so i tighten it up and it ran fine. now i get home and i cant even load the damn thing. anyone got any ideas what i may be doing wrong?
it is clean. i took it apart ran a boresnake through the barrel oiled everthing and whiped off all areas that looked dirty. (i ran around 50rd through it today.) as it was doing it at the range i was told mabye my grip on it wasnt sturdy enough. so i tighten it up and it ran fine. now i get home and i cant even load the damn thing. anyone got any ideas what i may be doing wrong?
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Mine feeds all kinds of ammo without issue and I usually fire GA Arms. Limp Wristing could have been the cause of some of your problem, but I doubt it would cause a 50% FTF. What do you mean in your last statement that after you got home you cant even load it?
Does it do the same thing with both magazines?0 -
yes. ive tried 3 different mags in it. if i had a digital camera id take a pic. whatr happens is when i hit the slide release the slide comes forward begins to strip a round out of the mag and feed it into the chamber.the bullet itself will go into the chamber but at the point where the case slides up the face of the bolt and folows the bullet into the chamber it gets stuck.
could limp wristing be a factor when loading the 1st round?0 -
quote:Originally posted by joshmb1982
yes. ive tried 3 different mags in it. if i had a digital camera id take a pic. whatr happens is when i hit the slide release the slide comes forward begins to strip a round out of the mag and feed it into the chamber.the bullet itself will go into the chamber but at the point where the case slides up the face of the bolt and folows the bullet into the chamber it gets stuck.
could limp wristing be a factor when loading the 1st round?
"Limp Wristing" is when you don't hold the pistol steady when you fire it. The pistol frame moves backwards with the slide so the slide may not go all the way back a therefore not have sufficient power to load the next round.
Have you tried slowly releasing the slide and watching how the round moves from the magazine into the chamber. You may see where the round sticks. Either way, I would take it back to where you purchased it or to a local gunsmith and have them look it over. You can also contact Springfield directly and if necessary send it back to them.
Good luck with getting this fixed.0 -
ok i ran 2 mags through it slowly by hand and it fed reliably every time. wth. i dont get this[B)] 0 -
Your pistol has what is called "Controlled Feed". This is when the slide goes forward into battery it pushes a cartridge out of the magazine ahead of it. The base of the cartridge rim raises and comes up behind the face of the extractor, which controls it to feed properly into the chamber.
From your description I would say that their is a problem with the extractor. It is either dirty, bent, broken or malfunctioning for some reason.
If the pistol is new and still under warrantee take it back to where you got it. If not, strip it down and remove the extractor from the slide. If it seems to be bent or broken get another one from Brownells, or SA. Better get a spare while your at it.0 -
The slide lock lever is NOT a slide release lever...when you have the slide locked back, insert your loaded magazine, grasp the slide and pull it back, then allow it to slam forward under its own power...don't use the slide stop lever to release the slide. Why do you think the manufacturer put all those grasping serrations on the slide?? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by joshmb1982
yes. ive tried 3 different mags in it. if i had a digital camera id take a pic. whatr happens is when i hit the slide release the slide comes forward begins to strip a round out of the mag and feed it into the chamber.the bullet itself will go into the chamber but at the point where the case slides up the face of the bolt and folows the bullet into the chamber it gets stuck.
could limp wristing be a factor when loading the 1st round?
Thats your problem right there!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Chris8161
quote:Originally posted by joshmb1982
yes. ive tried 3 different mags in it. if i had a digital camera id take a pic. whatr happens is when i hit the slide release the slide comes forward begins to strip a round out of the mag and feed it into the chamber.the bullet itself will go into the chamber but at the point where the case slides up the face of the bolt and folows the bullet into the chamber it gets stuck.
could limp wristing be a factor when loading the 1st round?
Thats your problem right there!
how is that a problem? isnt that what that lever is there for? if you pull back on the slide and let it go, couldnt you bring it forward with your hand just a little and make it fail to completely go into battery?0 -
quote:Originally posted by joshmb1982
quote:Originally posted by Chris8161Originally posted by joshmb1982
yes. ive tried 3 different mags in it. if i had a digital camera id take a pic. whatr happens is when i hit the slide release the slide comes forward begins to strip a round out of the mag and feed it into the chamber.the bullet itself will go into the chamber but at the point where the case slides up the face of the bolt and folows the bullet into the chamber it gets stuck.
could limp wristing be a factor when loading the 1st round?
Thats your problem right there!
As previously stated the Slide Lock Lever's purpose is to lock the slide the rear, either when the magazine is empty following the final shot, or manually when there is no magazine inserted and you pull the slide to the rear and move the lever upwards...The slide lock lever is not designed to release the slide, but rather to lock it to the rear...
Too properly operate the pistol, when loading it, insert a loaded magazine, and firmly pull slide to the rear, release it at the end of its travel allowing the recoil spring to the pull the slide forward, stripping a round from the magazine under its own power....
depressing the slide lock lever, changes the forward momentum of the slide, not releasing the slide at the rear (riding the slide) will also affect the forward momentum...I would suggest reading your owners manual if you don't understand what posters are talking about...0 -
well sent it to back to SA today. see how that goes. as i sent it back i do not have the book in front of me. but the owners manual states that once you lock the slide back and insert a loaded mag the proper procedure is to USE THE SLIDE LOCKING LEVER TO RELEASE THE SLIDE AND LOAD THE PISTOL. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by joshmb1982
well sent it to back to SA today. see how that goes. as i sent it back i do not have the book in front of me. but the owners manual states that once you lock the slide back and insert a loaded mag the proper procedure is to USE THE SLIDE LOCKING LEVER TO RELEASE THE SLIDE AND LOAD THE PISTOL.
That is why the lever is provided externally on the slide lock...TO USE IT.
Many tactical pistol courses teach reloads using the slide, and many others teach to use the levr for speed.
Like Rufe says, it is an extractor problem. Being a controlled round feed, never drop a round directly into the chamber, then drop the slide on it, forcing the extractor to jump the rim. Same principal to the Mauser 98, Winchester 70, and Ruger 77 rifles. this can damage the extractor.
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IMHO a properly designed pistol that has not been modified by adding do dad parts like recoil buffers if it did not come equipped from the factory Should work fine if you trip the slide hold-open/lock . I suspect That Rufe has the CORRECT answer and you have an extractor problem that may be more prone to show up with different ammo and different magazines. The way to test is to dismount the slide and then turn it up side down now take a round and slide down "slide is upside down so down would be up if the slide is mounted on the pistol" the breach face the cartridge case and the extractor groove should slide under the extractor hook but not bind and not take much force . you should now be able to turn the slide right side up and the cartridge should not fall out. Limp Wrist has no effect on the first round loading only on the next rounds when the slide is cycled under recoil caused by the previous round being fired. 0 -
Have you had another experienced shooter test your pistol out? Get someone else to fire the pistol and see if the same problems occur. Just for the heck of it, try loading the first round by pulling back on the slide and letting it slam forward under its own spring tension. 0
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