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  • GuvamintCheese
    I bet Bert can get pretty close.[;)]
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  • Bert H.
    Curt,

    In looking at the pictures in the auction, the 38-55 Rifle was manufactured sometime during the 1904 - 1910 time period. I believe that your starting bid is slightly over optimistic considering the condition of the gun. I would start it at $500 with no reserve, and let the market decide what it is ultimately worth.
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  • CS8161
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Curt,

    In looking at the pictures in the auction, the 38-55 Rifle was manufactured sometime during the 1904 - 1910 time period. I believe that your starting bid is slightly over optimistic considering the condition of the gun. I would start it at $500 with no reserve, and let the market decide what it is ultimately worth.


    Thank you Bert, I will lower the price and see where it goes! Do you know why the WRA CO has that cross hatch marking on it?
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  • GuvamintCheese
    quote:Originally posted by Chris8161
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    Curt,

    In looking at the pictures in the auction, the 38-55 Rifle was manufactured sometime during the 1904 - 1910 time period. I believe that your starting bid is slightly over optimistic considering the condition of the gun. I would start it at $500 with no reserve, and let the market decide what it is ultimately worth.


    Thank you Bert, I will lower the price and see where it goes! Do you know why the WRA CO has that cross hatch marking on it?Looks to me like its to prevent the seial no. from being revealed. Can you make out the old Number? Would be neat to try and get it lettered.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by Chris8161

    Thank you Bert, I will lower the price and see where it goes! Do you know why the WRA CO has that cross hatch marking on it?


    You are quite welcome Curt. No, I do not know why Winchester used the cross hatching, but like Todd, I suspect that it was done to completely obliterate any traces of the original serial number.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    Bert, is there any other place with a serial no. on the gun? How does this, or does this show up in any of the cody records(r&r)??
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    Bert, is there any other place with a serial no. on the gun? How does this, or does this show up in any of the cody records(r&r)??


    No, there is not. Winchester was not in the habit of marking a Model 1894 with a serial number anywhere but on the bottom forward edge of the receiver frame.

    I have yet encountered an entry in the factory ledgers that indicates that a serial number was obliterated or remarked "WRA CO", and as such, I am doubtful that it is possible to accurately answer the question.
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  • Baron Zemo
    I have to respectfully disagree with Bert as regards the vintage of this rifle. The patent date is stamped on the upper tang, which according to Bob Renneberg's book, was used from the start of production up until serial numbers between 250,000 and 280,000. Number 280,000 would have been produced in the later half of 1905. The production time frame for this rifle then could have been anytime from late in 1894 to late in 1905. The fact that neither the barrel or receiver have proof marks would support the early production period.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by Baron Zemo
    I have to respectfully disagree with Bert as regards the vintage of this rifle. The patent date is stamped on the upper tang, which according to Bob Renneberg's book, was used from the start of production up until serial numbers between 250,000 and 280,000. Number 280,000 would have been produced in the later half of 1905. The production time frame for this rifle then could have been anytime from late in 1894 to late in 1905. The fact that neither the barrel or receiver have proof marks would support the early production period.


    Hello Baron,

    You are correct... I mistakenly provided the date range for the 2nd type upper tang stamp, and this rifle has the 1A type. The Type 1A upper tang stamp was phased out in early 1904 verus late 1905 though.

    Of interest, Bob's newly revised edition book will be available to the public late this year. I provided a fair amount of the research and information that is added to the new book.
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