pics of cowboy fans rifle
here are ten of the twelve pics he sent me, spent alot of time doing this so hope he doesnt mind me ommitting 2 of them. i never looked at them until they were posted on here, ill comment later.
i went back through the pics and couldnt find one without the rear sight, cowboyfan, take the rear sight of and tell us what the make is: winchester, inland, remington, postal meter, etc...
i went back through the pics and couldnt find one without the rear sight, cowboyfan, take the rear sight of and tell us what the make is: winchester, inland, remington, postal meter, etc...
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Nice carbine! Is it a full GI? 0 -
It's Winchester. I didn't know how to get the rear sight off but can make out Winchester underneath it. 0 -
I do not know if it is full GI. It was left in the house that I purchased in July, so I have no history on it. It has been kept in a zippered soft case. The action is very smooth and seems in very good shape for it's age. I do not pretend to know much about guns. I do not own any others at this time. 0 -
Let me get that straight-
The rifle was left behind in a house you purchased?? As in the previous owners abandoned it, forgot it or didn't know it was there?? Does this make an ownership issue? Is it legal for you to own this? Does your locality require registration of firearms? Do you need a license to own that particular rifle?
I really hope you don't have to end up surrendering that rifle- it is a very clean WWII relic and if it were surrendered you can be damn sure it would get damaged and maybe destroyed. The stock alone is valuable
It's a Winchester receiver, with a Winchester stamped cartouche on the stock along with the inspector's initials, with ordnance cartouche on the stock. No bayonet lug, late model rear sight and apparently USGI oiler and sling
Yes, from the photographs I would venture to say it is full USGI. The question shouldn't be "is it full USGI" in my opinion but "what parts are on it other than USGI". I am not a real expert on these, I just know a few things. Winchester didn't make any carbines that weren't USGI, and since there is no bayonet lug and the stock bears its cartouches, the rifle has never been through arsenal rebuild which is becoming rare- it appears to be in it's original WWII configuration. If the rifle had gone through a rebuild, the cartouches would be sanded off and it would have a bayonet lug barrel band.
In my opinion, a real nice example of a pretty 'unmessed with' M1 carbine. The late model sight may have been a later addition by an owner other than the military, or the rifle could be of a production date late enough to have had it originally, I don;t know production dates for WRA M1 carbines
Look at the barrel near the front sight, does it bear a "Winchester" or "WRA" stamp? It may be hard to read
is it possible to contact the sellers of the house? They did not leave that behind on purpose
If you can legally sell that and wish to, please keep me in mind when you decide to sell0 -
Kudos to shootuadeal for posting the photos.
Unfortunately, most of Cowboy's original photos are not close enough, bright enough, or complete enough to tell us everything we need to know. But, it doesn't sound like you want to get into taking the rifle apart, let alone identifying all individual parts, necessary to get top dollar.
From what I can see, it is at leastly partly original USGI; the rear sight is a late replacement, & the wood has been sanded & refinished. If you list it at auction, it should bring $700-800. If you want to invest some time in research & borrowing a better camera, you might get a few hundred more.
And, the rear sight should only be removed by a gunsmith. Use tracing paper & a pencil tip to determine markings underneath.
Neal
EDIT: There are several things that make me think the stock has been refinished. 1) Look at the close-up of the oiler cut, & see how dark & oil stained the inside of the cut is; that area, as well as the stock interior, should be relatively close in appearance to the outside of the stock. 2) Look at the same photo, & see how splotchy the color is; new walnut will take stain evenly, but the oil soaked areas of the stock appear much darker. 3) Note on the photo of the sling cut how the stock slopes down towards the sling cut; as the sling cut is made after shaping, this area should be almost flat.
I think if Cowboy wanted to take an hour & learn how to field strip the rifle, & paid a professional $100(?) to take good photos, he could increase his take by $500. But, it's his gun, & he should do what works for him.0 -
Thanks Neal [:)]
Curious Neal- I hate to take another of the ten posts on the thread but-
Why do you feel the wood was sanded and refinished? The incomplete ordnance stamp? The WRA stamp is still good, I'd rather say the ord stamp was poorly struck.0 -
I am going to agree with Blairweescot on the issue of the stock having not been refinished. I professionally restored and refinished furniture for the last 14 years and am fully confident that this has not been refinished. There are too many love marks and evidence of use to have been so. While the stock and gun in itself are in great condition, it is apparent that it has seen some use but been well taken care of.
As to ownership issue: The widow left a good many things and specifically told me that what was left was mine. She moved out of state and the contract stated that any items left were my property as of the closing date. That was part of the deal because the house was in such a mess.
I live in Oklahoma, so our gun registry laws are not as strict as in other areas of the country. I will admit that I do not know them specifically as they apply to this weapon or situation and some probing into that would be prudent.
I have looked further up the barrel and there are two stamps that I can see. The one closest to the stock is a "W" and another leter in a circle. I can't tell if it's an "A" or an "R". And then further up the barrel, about mid-way between the stock and front sight, is a "W". It's pretty clear but I am having a hard time getting any good pictures of either.
I really have no desire to keep this firearm, nor the desire to do the research and homework to bring top dollar. I know this may not make much sense, but it's the way it is.0 -
If you put this up for sale would you add a link to it? 0 -
"I really have no desire to keep this firearm, nor the desire to do the research and homework to bring top dollar. I know this may not make much sense, but it's the way it is"
Well, since you don't want to have us do a proper eval on this rifle, I'm honored you took the time to show it to us at all!! Now, will you honor us again by posting it for sale here on Gunbroker?
Your statement [blue, above] that you are not interested in getting top dollar for it worries me. I can just see (shudder) you walking into a gunship with it. Nothing wrong with selling to a retailer, mind you, but I've never enjoyed seeing someone getting raped. So..
Would you consider your new found friends at Gunbroker, and list it at auction here? You can post the auction number over on the general discussion forum. Thanks, Joe0 -
I have to say that everyone has been extremely helpful and friendly as well. I will list it on GunBroker.com for sale. I had a friend that had shown interest and I was looking for an approximate value, but he has taken over a month to even get back with me.
I am not technically savvy, so bear with me while I get this listed. I will get the auction number on here when I do.
Thank you all for your help. I will come here when i'm ready to purchase a handgun. And I might consider partial trade as well.0 -
What laws and regulations should I be looking at to make sure that I am doing this legitimately? Should I be getting a background check from potential buyers?
I am not familiar with how this works and would appreciate some advice. While i'm not a big fan of gun laws, I don't want to break those already in place.
Mike.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CowboysFan
What laws and regulations should I be looking at to make sure that I am doing this legitimately? Should I be getting a background check from potential buyers?
I am not familiar with how this works and would appreciate some advice. While i'm not a big fan of gun laws, I don't want to break those already in place.
Mike.
It needs to be shipped to a Type 01 FFL dealer or a Type 03 Curio & Relics FFL holder.0
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