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  • Hawk Carse
    Dimensions don't match up exactly with anything in CotW.
    Eyeball, the little one sure looks like a .25 Stevens Short, the flatpointed bullet is distinctive. The other looks like a .41 Short but bullet diameter is small.

    Both are of Winchester manufacture, they used an "H" headstamp on rimfires in honor of B. Tyler Henry for many, many years.
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  • 11b6r
    Think #2 is a .25 Stevens Rimfire SHORT. Still working on #1. Measuerments are close to those listed in Suydam's US Cartridges and Their Handguns, and the flat bullet is characteristic of Stevens. discontinued mfg in 1951.
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  • 11b6r
    Listing for one 41 RF Short, with rim diameter of .466, bullet thickness of .394, case length .472, case diameter above rim at .405. Theere was a lot of variation from maker to maker, and bullet is not the most common sahpe for the 41 RF Short. Might want to re-mike the bullet on that one.
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  • cussedemgun
    kms1961,

    #1 is a 41RF short (the cartridge used in the Remington derringer)
    when it was new it had a bullet of the same OD as the case body but being 100+ years old has erroded to it's present size. The old rimfire & black powder cartridges commonly had a bullet with a reduced size base that crimped into the case mouth while the main diameter of the bullet was outside the case (outside lubed). The 22LR rimfire is the only such designed case still commonly found.

    Jim
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  • kms1961
    thanks guys the dia. above rim jives up with it its .405" biggest dia. i can get on bullet is about .390".
    what time frame was these availible? thanks kevin

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  • 11b6r
    .41 RF Short- 1863 to about 1947. I think Dominion did a special run of them later than that.
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