Steyr good or bad
I was wondering about this rifle seen it at a gun shop and thaught it look unique [8)]. It looks good, built well, it is light and it is a 308 scout. Just want some info on it thanks for your time and by the way thanks for gun broker for having this site[:D]. The info that come out of here is very good[:)]
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It is a very nice rifle with a great heritage. The Steyr Scout is one of my favorite rifles. Its light, accurate, has a built in tripod and an extra magazine in the stock. Its an all around fun gun, but a little pricey. Mine is in .223. 
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quote:Originally posted by rhino43
I was wondering about this rifle seen it at a gun shop and thaught it look unique [8)]. It looks good, built well, it is light and it is a 308 scout. Just want some info on it thanks for your time and by the way thanks for gun broker for having this site[:D]. The info that come out of here is very good[:)]
Is this what it looks like?
I love mine, accurate, handles great, light, and powerful.
The bad;
Loose chamber, reloaders nightmare. Had light primer strikes on nato ammo (this was supposedly fixed in the latter models) I adjusted the spring tension on my firing pin and this fixed that issue. If it is grey stocked with the european bolt turn it is early, if black stocked it is a later model iirc. Forgot to add it has a built in bipod in the forearm, but I find it a little flimsy for target use, although I think it would do in a pinch in the field (which I am sure it was designed for) The three point sling is a dream.
Expensive, but a pretty close proximity of Jeff Coopers vision of a perfect "scout" rifle. He was supposedly involved with it's design, and conception and it bears his initials in a little medallion on the stock.0 -
rhino43,
This concept was all the rage several years ago when Jeff Cooper first proposed it. In actual use, the idea of short, fast handling rifles with enhanced accuracy and function features is superb. Unfortunately, the execution and price left a lot to be desired when the final design came to the market.
When folks discuss a rifle suited to use in thick, deep woods, this is the idea that makes good sense. I did such a rifle for an Alaskan friend in .375 H&H for his use for both hunting and protection.
Unless you're getting one heck of a deal, you can build a 'Scout' -type rifle for a reasonable amount of money with some accessories.
A Few Words on the Scout Rifle Concept
"Since one must take care with one's speech it is appropriate that we address the issue of just what a "scout rifle" really is.
By the definition of the Scout Rifle Conferences held under the auspices of Jeff Cooper the scout rifle has been defined as a general purpose rifle suitable for taking targets of up to 400 kg (880 pounds) at ranges to the limit of the shooters visibility (nominally 300 meters) that meets the following criteria:
Weight-sighted and slung: 3 kilograms (6.6 lb). This has been set as the ideal weight but the maximum has been stated as being 3.5 kg (7.7 pounds ).
Length: 1 meter (39 inches)
Nominal barrel length: .48 meter (19 inches)
Sighting system: Typically a forward and low mounted (ahead of the action opening) long eye relief telescope of between 2x and 3x. Reserve iron sights desirable but not necessary. Iron sights of the ghost ring type, without a scope, also qualify, as does a low powered conventional position scope.
Action: Magazine fed bolt action. Detachable box magazine and/or stripper clip charging is desirable but not necessary.
Sling: Fast loop-up type, i.e. Ching or CW style.
Caliber: Nominally .308 Winchester (7.62 x 51 mm). Calibers such as 7 mm - 08 Remington (7 x 51 mm) or .243 Winchester (6 x 51 mm) being considered for frail individuals or where "military" calibers are proscribed.
Built-in bipod: Desirable but not mandatory.
Accuracy: Should be capable of shooting into 2 minutes of angle or less (4") at 200 yards/meters (3 shot groups).
Rifles that do not meet all of these specifications are technically not "scout rifles." Thus rifles of this general design in calibers other than those stated above are not true scout rifles but actually "pseudo-scouts." However, even though Steyr Mannlicher (and now Savage) are making production rifles of this general type (as well as some wild variations) they are under no legal obligation not to call their deviations "scouts" as a marketing tool. Thus, the Steyr .376 Scout also known as (and probably better referred to as the ".376 Dragoon" although the factory dislikes the term) nor the .223 variation are true scout rifles. For that matter neither are the custom made scout-like rifles made up in .30-06, .375 H&H, or what ever caliber. However, there are many parts of the scout design that can be handily used on non-scout rifles."
http://www.steyrscout.org/project.htm
Other Notes:
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn37-e.htm
Steyr Scout
The version considered by many to be the benchmark is the Steyr Scout. Price, including a Leupold 2.5x Scout Scope: $2,600USD c.2008.[6]
For many years scout rifles were only available from custom gunsmiths. However, in the late 1990s, Steyr-Mannlicher of Austria began series production of the Steyr Scout, which is also known as the Mannlicher Scout. Jeff Cooper spent many years of reflection and working with Steyr before they began production built to the specifications developed. A heavy-caliber version, unofficially known as the "Dragoon Scout" (a designation which was seen on a prototype), is chambered for the proprietary .376 Steyr cartridge, but exceeds (by approximately one inch) the overall length limit of the Scout Rifle specification. This version carries four rounds in the magazine, compared to five in the standard Steyr Scout. A version is also produced in the 5.56 mm .223 caliber used in various current military carbines. This is below the Scout Rifle caliber standard, so this version of the rifle has become (somewhat derisively) known as the "Cub Scout."
The Steyr Scout features an integral bipod, as well as storage for a spare, loaded magazine. The rifle is also designed to allow either single-shot, manually-loaded fire or normal magazine feeding. This is accomplished by simply including a second notch in the magazine catch, which permits the magazine to ride in the weapon slightly too low for the bolt to engage the top cartridge. The shooter may immediately switch to magazine feeding by driving the magazine all the way into the well. Single-round feeding is aided by the mounting position of the scope.
The length of the buttstock on the Steyr Scout is easily adjusted, through the use of detachable sections, though Cooper promotes the practice of removing all of the sections to allow bringing the rifle to the shoulder faster.
There are very few options and accessories for the Steyr Scout because the necessary and desirable features are designed into the standard configuration. The primary choices are caliber, color of stock (grey or black), and type of bolt handle (flat or ball-end). Some owners opt for aftermarket or custom slings, which are easily removed and adjusted. Most owners will also purchase extra magazines and an ammunition holder which mounts to the stock.
The Steyr Scout has the following features:
* Removable box magazines with "magazine in reserve" setting for manual loading.
* Second magazine stores in the butt of the rifle.
* Light weight due to aluminum receiver housing, hammer forged fluted barrel, and extensive use of polymers.
* Top and bottom integral Weaver/Picatinny rails.
* Roller tang safety with "Locked Safe", "Loading", and "Fire" positions.
* Bolt handle locks downward against receiver in "Locked Safe" mode.
* User-adjustable trigger factory set at 16 N (3.5 lbs).
* Reserve flip-up "ghost ring" iron sights.
* Integral folding bipod.
* Third attachment point for a 'Ching Sling'.
There were early reports of problems with the Steyr Scout rifle relating to breakage of the bipod pivot pin. The affected part was subsequently redesigned to improve its strength. "Aftermarket" pivot pin replacements are also available[1].
Some users find the bolt lift effort to be on the high (but not excessive) side due to steep profile of the cocking cam contained within the bolt. This can be eased somewhat by appropriate lubrication but a revised cam is available.
The other criticism has been of recurring light hits (primer strikes), particularly with early production runs. Factory recommended solutions have typically been adjust the spring to the next higher setting or to install a "high energy" firing pin kit or stiffer spring[2].
The Picatinny rail above the action and barrel allow either for conventional positioning of a scope with normal 1.5 in - 3.5 eye relief or for the forward placement of a "scout scope" with intermediate or long eye relief. The latter is more faithful to Cooper's Scout concept, and the Steyr-Mannlicher rifle can be ordered from the factory with a low-magnification Leupold scope with long eye relief.
Bipod Repair:
http://www.steyrscout.org/steyrtip.htm#Bipod
Light Firing Pin Strikes:
http://www.steyrscout.org/lightht.htm
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Briefly, Jeff Cooper came up with the idea of a "Scout" rifle, which he described as a light short handy bolt-action rifle that uses a medium-power cartridge (like a .308), a fancy three point sling attachment, and a front mounted scope both for two-eyes open fast shooting and the ability to use stripper clips for fast loading.
The idea was that you could use a rifle like this for basically anything you'd need to use a rifle for: hunt small to large game in a variety of settings, survival, use as a combat or even sniper rifle. Short of the biggest type game, if you could see it, you should be able to shoot (and kill) it with this rifle.
Now, there is a bit of debate about how useful this design really is, including debate about the wisdom of a front-mounted scope, but the name "Scout" rifle stuck as a generic term for these centerfire rifles with front-mounted scopes.
The Steyr was a commercial design using Coopers input and specs.
From what I understand it is a quite good rifle, and a good execution of Cooper's concept, but the things are astronomically expensive.
Without debating the merits of the design (which personally, I kind of like), if I were interested in such a rifle, I don't think I would buy the Steyr, only because I think its possible to assemble one functionally every bit as good for considerably less money.0 -
Have always wanted one. Don't know if the .376 Steyr or the .308 is the better choice in calibers. Always have thought I'd trade one of my Navy match M1 service rifles in 7.62 NATO for one of those Steyrs if the opportunity ever presented itself. Kinda think that the .376 might be a better choice but the ammo for it is pretty expensive. If it's even remotely affordable for you I'd advixe you to take a chance on it. And I don't think the gray ones are that bad looking...Very distinctive. Beach 0 -
I have a Pro-Hunter in .308.Great rifle,not a pretty rifle,all business.Very accurate. 0 -
I have a steyr scout in .308 and .376. the .376 is my favorite of the two. carries nice in the dark timber and is nicely accurate. 0 -
Steyr is a great rifle. And the 308 is an excellent cartridge for it...having said that I like the .376 a little better. It will do everything the 308 will and a little more. 0 -
rhino43,
The .376 Steyr cartridge case is based on the case of the 9.3 x 64mm Brenneke although the case is about 4 mm shorter, making it midway in physical size between the .350 Remington Mag and the .375 H&H as seen below.
Left to right: .308 Win, .350 Rem Mag,
.376 Steyr, .375 H&H
Dimensions:
http://www.steyrscout.org/376steyr.htm
http://pw2.netcom.com/~chingesh/TMC376Scout.html
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Scouts I have little use for ("we" had little use for Cooper either) But I do have a .270 Steyer model 96 SBS that is a jewel. Tolerances are tighter than on any US made rifle I own. As mentioned above it is all business. 0
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