RE: Rocky Mountain sight.
Bert: So what you're saying is that "Rocky Mountain rifle sights are a brand by a company who made knife blade type front sights. And even tho other knife blade type sights are very similiar, they are not Rocky Mountain because they weren't made by that company.
Same as all denim jeans are pretty similar , only ones made by Levi's are called Levi's.
Is this correct?
Same as all denim jeans are pretty similar , only ones made by Levi's are called Levi's.
Is this correct?
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My Levis were made by Wrangler, I don't care what Bert says... 0 -
No, that is not what I am saying.
"Rocky Mountain" sights are a specific type & shape, whereas "Knife Blade" sights are a different specific type and shape of sight.
Rocky Mountain sights where made of blued steel, with a very thin vertical platinum insert in the curved front part of the sight.
Knife Blade sights were most often made of German Silver (nickel) and are not curved... instead, the front and the top portion of the sight is perfectly straight and comes to a sharp point (hence the "knife" blade). Knife Blade sights were also made of Ivory, Copper, and Brass.
Both the "Rocky Mountain" and the "Knife Blade" sights were used by several different firearms manufacturers, and they were listed as such in the respective catalogs. The vast number of the many different types of sights used by the various firearms manufacturers were made by outside contractors, who sold/supplied sights to Winchester, Marlin, Remington, etc.0 -
My intent is not to attempt to prove Bert wrong. I want to understand Berts position here and possibly learn something.
To me, all the knife blade sights of this type come under the generic name of "Rocky Mountain" type sights. I wasn't aware that who MFG'd them made a difference.
If Rocky Mountain sights are in a class by themselves, regardless of similarity to other same type sights, I would like to know and understand why.0 -
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
Again, this is semantics. . .let it go.
I disagree... Instead of calling it a "Rocky Mountain" let's call it a "Corvette" and along the same line of thinking, the "Knife Blade" is now called a Corvair... Now, not all Chevy's are the same are they?0 -
OK, so it's not the MFG, but the material it's made of?
And a R-M sight is basically a type of knife blade sight. And altho is basically the same as the others, it has certain material & finish and curved ( vs. straight) shape charactoristics that set it apart.
Got it and stand corrected. Thanks for the lesson. Sometimes the little things do make a difference.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Fatstrat
OK, so it's not the MFG, but the material it's made of?
And a R-M sight is basically a type of knife blade sight. And altho is basically the same as the others, it has certain material & finish and curved ( vs. straight) shape charactoristics that set it apart?
Now you are getting the picture.
It is both the physical shape of the sight (rounded throughout the upper radius) and what it is constructed of. Look closely at the 2nd picture I posted in the first topic string... you should be able to see the vertical platinum insert in the face of the blade. Knife Blade sights do not have the platinum insert, nor are they ever made of blued steel.0 -
Actuallly, very few if any Rocky Mountain sights will be found with a platinum blade. They were made with German or nickle silver blades (actually an alloy of copper, nickel, and zinc). Knife blade sights often used it also but they were also likely to have a blade made of ordinary steel, bronze, ivory, etc. The difference between a Rocky Mountain front sight and a knife blade one is simply the shape of the top front of the blade. The RM is rounded, the knife blade is sharply angled.
Platinum was used as an insert in some other types of front sights but it needed to be well supported on both sides, not sticking far up on its own as in a RM sight. Many platinum alloys are quite soft and malleable. They tend to dent and bend rather easily, great for making jewlrey but not a good thing for a gun sight. Some platinum alloys are harder but they can be prone to cracking.0 -
Rocky Mountain sights, on Marlin's, were of the German/nickle silver variety and had a "bead-like" milling on the top edge.
Picture #4, in this listing, shows what they looked like.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=1381055050 -
quote:Originally posted by glabray
Actuallly, very few if any Rocky Mountain sights will be found with a platinum blade. They were made with German or nickle silver blades (actually an alloy of copper, nickel, and zinc). Knife blade sights often used it also but they were also likely to have a blade made of ordinary steel, bronze, ivory, etc.
Platinum was used as an insert in some other types of front sights but it needed to be well supported on both sides, not sticking far up on its own as in a RM sight. Many platinum alloys are quite soft and malleable. They tend to dent and bend rather easily, great for making jewlrey but not a good thing for a gun sight. Some platinum alloys are harder but they can be prone to cracking.
So, the fact that I own more than a dozen Model 1885 Rifles with factory installed Rocky Mountain sights, all of which have the platinum insert, and are blued steel is an abnormality?
Once again, you really have no clue what you are talking about, and your reading skills leave a lot to be desired. Nowhere did I state that the blade was made of platinum.
Over the past 30-years or so, I have seen hundreds of Rocky Mountain front sights on many different Winchester rifles (mostly on Model 1885s, but also a few on 1876s, 1886s, and even a small number of 1894s)... the vast majority of which had the platinum insert, and were made of blued steel. Conversely, the overiding majority of the Knife Blade sights I have seen were made of German Silver.0
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