ffl ?
I not a dealer but a collector that ended up with a pile of guns after I lost my Dad, long story short we had many guns alike, Im selling the extras to build my Winchester collection and I get along OK, I just sold a Rem shotgun and the FFL on the buyers end says I do not need his signed copy of the current FFL,all I need to do is check out his #'s on the ATF site under Eazy check. Is this an new way of doing Biz? Is it OK? You folks have saved me a lotta research and or answered many gun questions. VERY BEST
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hello all sure this has been asked many times before. but i want to make sure . im thinking of selling some of featherweights on the auction side and need to know if me as a indiviual can ship to a ffl holder in another stae are do i also need to go thru a ffl. thanks in advance kevin 0 -
Federal law allows it but some states or localities do not and some dealers will not accept a firearm from a non-FFL. It's safest to use an FFL dealer to avoid any hassle. 0 -
kms1961,
It is perfectly legal for you to send your firearms to an FFL in another state for logging in and delivery to a buyer.
However, there are FFL's who have chosen to write their own laws regarding what is legal and acceptable to them. They usually state that they will only accept delivery from another FFL.
The simple solution is to find an FFL that will receiver your shipments and do the paperwork for the buyer. You are not required to ship through an FFL to another FFL and all it accomplishes is adding to the cost of doing business legally no matter what some of these FFLs want you to believe. Don't believe them, move on and find someone that wants to do business.
There are plenty of FFLs out there. Get into the phone books online or do a search for a list. Gunbroker has a list online or can help you locate one.
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You can ship but make sure the FFL on the other end will accept the item on the other end He may as for a copy of your drivers LIC. 0 -
Thanks i thought that was correct i'll just put in description make sure your ffl will accept from seller before bidding thank all kevin 0 -
I always pay an FFL to ship it out for me, just to CYA...its worth the $20 to me 0 -
quote:Originally posted by nononsense
kms1961,
It is perfectly legal for you to send your firearms to an FFL in another state for logging in and delivery to a buyer.
However, there are FFL's who have chosen to write their own laws regarding what is legal and acceptable to them. They usually state that they will only accept delivery from another FFL.
The simple solution is to find an FFL that will receiver your shipments and do the paperwork for the buyer. You are not required to ship through an FFL to another FFL and all it accomplishes is adding to the cost of doing business legally no matter what some of these FFLs want you to believe. Don't believe them, move on and find someone that wants to do business.
There are plenty of FFLs out there. Get into the phone books online or do a search for a list. Gunbroker has a list online or can help you locate one.
Best.
Just more unnecessary dealer bashing...
First, what does a dealer do if the shipper doesn't include any ID so there is no way of booking it in other than a "mailboxes-r-us" return address? No matter how many times you state ID must be included a large percentage of folks just don't do it... great. Now the receiving dealer has to spend time tracking some dummy down. Oh but wait, the dealer is charging a big $20 for the service, so who cares... and yet you wonder why some dealers don't want to deal with the general public when it comes to receiving firearms shipments.
Secondly, if shipping a $75 Lorcin a dealer can do it for $10 thru USPS... paying a dealer $20 to transfer out and $10 shipping cost is going to be less than paying for overnight shipping on that beauty.
Lastly, as far as "FFL's who have chosen to write their own laws regarding what is legal and acceptable to them" this is still America. Get your own license if you don't like the way the FFLs around you have chosen to run their own business.0 -
vicg1,
"...this is still America."
Yes it is and something we all need to remember. As such, I am still entitled, as you are, to an opinion whether we agree with each other or not. I think that forcing a client to use an FFL to ship to another FFL is wrong especially since the Feds haven't stuck their stupid faces into this part of it.
"Get your own license if you don't like the way the FFLs around you have chosen to run their own business."
I did and do. I have 4 of the major licenses not including the 01 dealer license. Of those, it costs me roughly 40 times more every 3 years than your 01. This doesn't include the added taxes, reams of paperwork and inspections required by the Gestapo in order to keep those licenses. I don't feel sorry for myself, I like my businesses and the clients I am lucky enough to have and work hard to retain. Attention to the highest quality and relentless attention to customer service serves me the best. Sure they can be a nuisance on rare occasions but they are the client and we usually arrive at a reasonable method of working out our disagreements. I number my clients in both the general public and professional sectors so I get the mix of both.
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I'm glad that we were able to settle that disagreement like gentlemen.
Kevin, let me suggest you include this statement in your listing: "Be sure that your dealer is willing to accept delivery from a nonlicensee. I will include a copy of my drivers license with the gun for your dealer's records."
It is the BUYER'S responsibility to completely read the terms of sale & be sure that he has a willing dealer lined up BEFORE he enters a bid.
As long as the bidder's dealer can see that you are acting as a professional & respect his needs, you should have no trouble.
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quote:Originally posted by nononsense
kms1961,
It is perfectly legal for you to send your firearms to an FFL in another state for logging in and delivery to a buyer.
However, there are FFL's who have chosen to write their own laws regarding what is legal and acceptable to them. They usually state that they will only accept delivery from another FFL.
The simple solution is to find an FFL that will receiver your shipments and do the paperwork for the buyer. You are not required to ship through an FFL to another FFL and all it accomplishes is adding to the cost of doing business legally no matter what some of these FFLs want you to believe. Don't believe them, move on and find someone that wants to do business.
There are plenty of FFLs out there. Get into the phone books online or do a search for a list. Gunbroker has a list online or can help you locate one.
Best.
My FFL only accepts transfer guns from another FFL, his shop, his rules.
As far as shipping a firearm FROM his shop, he charges ONLY what UPS charges him (and he provides you with the UPS invoice for your package). Dosn't sound like to much of a cost increase (on shipping) to me.0 -
nmyers,
I've read that disclaimer on the Auction side and in other places. It seems to work when, as you point out, the buyer bothers to read all the statements in the Auction. I see a lot lacking in reading skills these days but a seller can only do so much before the responsibility has to fall squarely on the buyer's shoulders. It's tough no matter how much a seller tries to make everything as smooth as possible. The extremely lengthy and detailed disclaimers are a little distressing to have to read but the sellers are being thorough in response to previous problems, I'm sure.
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Tailgunner1954,
"As far as shipping a firearm FROM his shop, he charges ONLY what UPS charges him (and he provides you with the UPS invoice for your package). Dosn't sound like to much of a cost increase (on shipping) to me."
You missed the point.
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