Krag Carbine help.........(pics)
Hello,
I have the opportunity to buy a Krag Carbine from a friend. He is in his early 70's and the gun belonged to his Grandfather who had a long and distinguished millitary career including the Spanish American War. This carbine has been tucked away in his closet for years and it appears to be in excellent condition to me, but I'm surely not an expert. The receiver is marked " 1895", but the stock is stamped 1896, the S.N.-28026. It is missing the bar and ring, but otherwise I think it's all original. I'd appreciate some opinions on the overall condition and approx. value of this carbine. This will help make a decision to purchase or not. I have several pics that I'll try to post.
Thanks!
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I have the opportunity to buy a Krag Carbine from a friend. He is in his early 70's and the gun belonged to his Grandfather who had a long and distinguished millitary career including the Spanish American War. This carbine has been tucked away in his closet for years and it appears to be in excellent condition to me, but I'm surely not an expert. The receiver is marked " 1895", but the stock is stamped 1896, the S.N.-28026. It is missing the bar and ring, but otherwise I think it's all original. I'd appreciate some opinions on the overall condition and approx. value of this carbine. This will help make a decision to purchase or not. I have several pics that I'll try to post.
Thanks!
http://img11.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=dsci0001h.jpg
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According to "Flaydermans Guide" the earliest Krag Carbines were the Model 1896's. Serial numbers were in the 35,000-90,000 range. They were marked/dated 1896. As yours is marked 1895 on the receiver, my WAG is that it's a reworked Model 1892 Krag rifle. This would have a negative affect on collectors value. 0 -
I read somewhere that the carbines started around 25000 and the earliest ones were stamped "1895".......is this correct? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Target-Panic
I read somewhere that the carbines started around 25000 and the earliest ones were stamped "1895".......is this correct?
Not according to Flayderman.0 -
Need a pic on the end of the barrel. The sight should have a "C" stamped on it. What is the asking price and how clean is the inside of the barrel?? 0 -
Here's something that I just found..... It shows what they call an "1896 variant carbine" stamped "1895" with a 30XXX Serial Number.
http://www.museum.nps.gov/spar/vfpcgi.exe?IDCFile=/spar/NEXT.IDC,RECNO=1907,WORDS=valejo,LISTIDC=/SPAR/BROWSER.IDC,RECORDMAX=10,ORDERBY=CATNBR,SKIPOPT=PREV,DATABASE=objects0 -
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
quote:Originally posted by Target-Panic
I read somewhere that the carbines started around 25000 and the earliest ones were stamped "1895".......is this correct?
Not according to Flayderman.
Rufe,
Norm Flayderman is frequently wrong in his prose. There certainly were a fair number of Carbines made before serial number 35,000.0 -
It appears to be a totally correct early Model 1896 Krag carbine. The bayonet is irrelevant as it is not a US bayonet nor would it apply to a carbine.
The rear sight should be marked "C" on the upper right corner, which I'm sure it is although it's blocked by the sliding leaf. The stock, front sight, etc., appear to be as-issued. Aside from the missing saddle bar and ring, it looks like a very nice example. I would value it in the $1,500+ range and perhaps more with documented provenance.0 -
Where can the "period correct" ring and bar be found?
What do you mean by....."documented provenance"?
He has his grandfather's service record, alot of his old"stuff", but there is no paperwork regarding this carbine.
I believe he wants $ 1500.00, maybe a little less for his friend[:D].0 -
quote:Originally posted by Target-Panic
Where can the "period correct" ring and bar be found?
What do you mean by....."documented provenance"?
He has his grandfather's service record, alot of his old"stuff", but there is no paperwork regarding this carbine.
I believe he wants $ 1500.00, maybe a little less for his friend[:D].
By "documented provenance", I meant any proof that his grandfather or someone he knew carried it in the Spanish-American War. Nonetheless, $1500 is a fair price as carbines are scarce and desirable and this is an early one.
You can try S&S Firearms for a sling bar & ring. They have a large collection of original Krag parts. Their website is http://www.ssfirearms.com/ or you can call them at (718) 497-1100 and they'll be happy to check and see if they have a set in stock.
There's also a very nice looking repro set on eBay here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=2704383906840 -
Thanks Spider!
I think it would be a shame to put a "Repro" bar & ring on this gun. If I do buy it, I think I'll try and replace it with the real thing.
How about cleaning rod & oiler? Is there a "correct" type, or are they all pretty much the same?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Target-Panic
Thanks Spider!
I think it would be a shame to put a "Repro" bar & ring on this gun. If I do buy it, I think I'll try and replace it with the real thing.
How about cleaning rod & oiler? Is there a "correct" type, or are they all pretty much the same?
They're all the same. Here's a complete set:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3702398760770
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