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YEEEHIII
Looking for a model 12 in 20ga. or 12ga. made in 1953. What ser. # range would I be looking for?
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  • YEEEHIII
    I purchased a 20ga. today. It needs a little restoration to make it a respectable quail gun. However when I got home with her, I thought I knew how to break the gun down(it is a take down model). Igot it apart but can't seem to get her back togather! Can someone help? Does the bolt need to be forward as in closed?[:(]
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  • shoff14
    I can't help you. However, if you post some pictures and serial numbers someone on here can help you and it would make it a whole lot easier.


    Read this thread about pictures

    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294


    For serial numbers, just put a XXX on the last 3 digits or last 2. It will be fine.

    Also note, that you only get 10 or so post in this thread before its locked, so just edit your first post and put the pictures there.
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  • YEEEHIII
    ok is it safe to put serial # on line? and how does one do pics
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  • GuvamintCheese
    The serial # will give you the year. You dont need to post the last couple of numbers in the serial number. do any of the guns have checkering on the wood or engraving on the metal? They are all 12 gauge guns, the least desirable gauge IMO. Photos will help determine the grade, the condition and the value. Good luck.
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  • YEEEHIII
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    The serial # will give you the year. You dont need to post the last couple of numbers in the serial number. do any of the guns have checkering on the wood or engraving on the metal? They are all 12 gauge guns, the least desirable gauge IMO. Photos will help determine the grade, the condition and the value. Good luck.


    ok i got the pics up and yes to the chercking
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  • GuvamintCheese
    The first 12 ga. I believe is completly refinished I see some dishing around the letters and maybe some pitting marks below. (only has shooter value, no collector value). Originally a 1952 gun, my guess is that the rib and stock were added when they did the refinish. maybe worth $550ish with the upgraded wood and Imp cyl bbl..

    The 16ga. looks original but a little rough. $350

    The feather weight $325 (not many feather weight collectors)

    The Y series 12ga. looks like a trap gun and looks like its in good shape $600

    The bottom 12 ga. field grade looks original 1961 (wood might have been refinished) but metal looks good $500

    These are my best estimates from the pics and facts you have provided. Maybe some others will chime in for more insight.
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  • Winchester 1912
    I think cartods estimates are pretty much on the money. That's a nice field grade 12 gauge from 1961.
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  • YEEEHIII
    Thank you for the input and info. If the two you thought had been refinich have never been refinished so to say that is the orginal finiish does that effect there value enfought to worrie about?
    Also how does one tell the year of the gun by the serial #? and agin thank you for your help.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    quote:Originally posted by YEEEHIII
    Thank you for the input and info. If the two you thought had been refinich have never been refinished so to say that is the orginal finiish does that effect there value enfought to worrie about? Also how does one tell the year of the gun by the serial #? and agin thank you for your help.
    No use worrying about it. If the Top gun were original and in that condition it would probably be worth in the double or triple. Refinishing a pre 64 winchester usually destroys any collector value. I believe the serial number dates are in the back of your blue book. I looked them up online.

    http://armscollectors.com/sn/windates.htm
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by cartod
    quote:Originally posted by YEEEHIII
    Thank you for the input and info. If the two you thought had been refinich have never been refinished so to say that is the orginal finiish does that effect there value enfought to worrie about? Also how does one tell the year of the gun by the serial #? and agin thank you for your help.
    No use worrying about it. If the Top gun were original and in that condition it would probably be worth in the double or triple. Refinishing a pre 64 winchester usually destroys any collector value. I believe the serial number dates are in the back of your blue book. I looked them up online.

    http://armscollectors.com/sn/windates.htm



    Neither the Blue Book or armscollector.com is accurate as it pertains to the Model 12 serial numbers/DOMs. Dave Riffle is very close in his book, but even he is not quite on the mark. George Madis' serial number listings in his book are not accurate either.

    For what it is worth, I am ever so slowly putting together a new Winchester serialization book that I will eventually publish. It will have the absolute accurate DOMs for all of the models for which the records exist. Instead of just the year-ending serial numbers, it will provide the last serial number made in each month of the entire period for which the records exist. For some Models, I will provide the estimated year ending serial numbers for the years after the records end, up to the year 1963.
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