Piston vs. Gas ARs
I am looking to buy a AR. For some reason I really like the Ruger SR556. Other pistons I have looked at are Robinson, Ruger trumps this one form what I can see in handling. Like the Sig, but it seems barrel heavy to me. The piston AR interest me for fact that runs cleaner and cooler from what I have been told.
Is the $500 difference between the SIG and Ruger worth the $$$ over a Panther or Double Star.
Also, I have the opinion that if I buy an AR I need to get a good one, so Colt stands out to me. Price diff between the Colt and the Sig and Ruger only around $3000 or so dollars.
What are your thoughts? By the way, I have searched and read many posts on the ARs, but didn't find much regarding the pistons.
Thanks!!!!!
Is the $500 difference between the SIG and Ruger worth the $$$ over a Panther or Double Star.
Also, I have the opinion that if I buy an AR I need to get a good one, so Colt stands out to me. Price diff between the Colt and the Sig and Ruger only around $3000 or so dollars.
What are your thoughts? By the way, I have searched and read many posts on the ARs, but didn't find much regarding the pistons.
Thanks!!!!!
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Ok I say dont fix a problem that is not there. Gas AR's work just fine. I have put more rounds down range than I care to count and the gas rifles still work. The problem with ruger is that they just came out with their rifle. We have seen in most ruger guns that it is not long and they recall them. LCP, SR9 you name them. I am not bashing Ruger. I own many of their guns and sale even more. I love sig. They are great guns. If I was to buy a piston rifle again I would still buy a LWRC hands down. These are one of the best rifles I have shot and own. 0 -
Well I disagree with the above author. There is a problem the standard AR gas System Craps where it eats. Which means it will have carbon where all of the action is. Gas piston systems are the way to go IMO. I have been looking at www.pof-usa.com also LWRC and various companies are making them just to broaden your search. Good luck. 0 -
If it's got a piston, that's an improvement.
If it's made by Sig, that's a REAL improvement.
If it's piston system was designed by Sig; that's a keeper.
I read that a guy at the Sig training facility shot through 3 mags, unass'ed the bolt/carrier and handed it to an onlooker; bolt was as cool as a glass of milk; and almost as clean.0 -
I have a HK 416 that I have put a gas upper on it. Now for those who dont know what that is... it a Full Auto M16 type made by HK... I have not had any problem with it. If you can afford a piston rifle by all means get one. But they are pricey. Yes they are cleaner and cooler. I never said they were not. One thing I have found out from people in the sand box is they were not as reliable. (piston) This may be a matter of opinion between men. They are all good guns if you stay with a good brand (Stag, Double Star, Rock River, Smith Wesson, Colt, and Bushmaster). Bushmaster and Colt are getting guns to us now so they might be easy to find. Hope this might help. 
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if it were me i would go with a LWRCI M6A4
[url] http://www.lwrci.com/Products/M6A4/tabid/84/Default.aspx [/url]
pricey but well worth it, i am just a little biased, as i own several LWRC & LWRCI carbines.0 -
Look at the AR180-B. Armalite brought the AR-180 back wirh a few improvments. My 2 cents [8D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ajguns
Ok I say dont fix a problem that is not there. Gas AR's work just fine. I have put more rounds down range than I care to count and the gas rifles still work. The problem with ruger is that they just came out with their rifle. We have seen in most ruger guns that it is not long and they recall them. LCP, SR9 you name them. I am not bashing Ruger. I own many of their guns and sale even more. I love sig. They are great guns. If I was to buy a piston rifle again I would still buy a LWRC hands down. These are one of the best rifles I have shot and own.
If you think it isn't a problem maybe you should put more than 1000 rounds through one one day. I will tell you a lot more crap goes into the action from direct impingement than from a gas-piston arrangement. For training, they become unfireable after just 100 rounds. It's been a problem since day one with that rifle. It got better with new ammunition. I also hear the flippant saying " you've just got to learn to keep them a little cleaner than the old '14". WHATEVER! I'd like to see you shotgun a rifle, field clean it in the middle of a firefight. If so, WHY?? when you don't have to.
If I ever hear it costing too much money I would then like to ask WTH does the Air Force need digital Camoflage Uniforms for? that cost us taxpayers 1.7 BILLION to develop and implement. A new rifle system for all four services would run just about four times that and would be a lot more needed.
For just shooting and cleaning at home a standard AR is okay...if you don't mind cleaning the pig[:(!] If you want something that is going to shoot a lot longer without cleaning the piston would be the way to go.0 -
Yes its worth the extra money for a piston, if you need the rifle to be reliable past 10 mags, nope if you dont, just buy a regular DI gun.
if you go with a piston look closely at the offerings from.. smith and wesson, ruger, lwrc and LMT or.
the Robinson armament XCR and the Microtech Small Arms Research STG-556 are two other rifles to to look at, if you choose to go with a rifle that departs from the AR-15 platform.0 -
Save your pennies and be the first on your block to own the FN SCAR, the soon to be replacement for the M16/M4. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ripley16
Save your pennies and be the first on your block to own the FN SCAR, the soon to be replacement for the M16/M4.
I am!...but I think there's a crack in the piggybank, a hole in the 'saver-sock' or a leak in the 'money-line'. Otherwise, I'd have one right now.[:D]0 -
On the one hand I'm tempted to ask "how does adding more moving parts make the gun ultimately more reliable?" but having used both, I have to say the piston does run alot cleaner. I think it's really too new to now know for certain whether it's a long term advantage - does the heavy spring require routine replacement? For the first time in my life I heard the term "carrier tip", meaning the top of the steel BCG pushes up into the roof of the aluminium receiver on a piston driven AR. Is it an issue with all units or just some - or just cheap ones? Beats me, I don't like cleaning ARs so I guess I'd be willing to give them a try. 0
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