UPS wants broken gun
UPS recently broke the stock on a rifle that was shipped to me. They paid the shipper the total amount it was insured for. He is sending me a check for the total amount I paid for it. UPS is supposed to contact me and have there driver pick up the gun. What they will do I do not know yet. I have a C&R liscense. Per the rules I logged the gun into my book within 24 hours of the time I recieved it. By law when I log it out I have to enter name, address, FFL # if one, and in the state of Illinois where I live, a valid Illinois FOID card # if the gun goes to an individual. Problem is that as far as I know UPS does not have an FFL or an Illinois FOID card. Anyone else ever run into this situation? Breaking the law is not an option for me as I see it.
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Make 'em jump thru the hoops!
Insist on it... if they can't do something reasonable, tell 'em you will xfer it to the FFL of their choice after receiving whatever paperwork you need to cover yourself...0 -
Since it's a long gun, your state probably allows face-to-face transfers. If they do, get all of the driver's information from his driver's license and enter it into your C&R book. He is then responsible for the rifle. If they don't, have your local FFL dealer do the transfer and make UPS pay the transfer fee and you can log it out to the dealer. 0 -
Advise them that if they have paid the owner, the DO own the title to the weapon. And as soon as they provide a Federal Firearms Licensee to ship it to, and provide you with the FFL license number, you will be glad to do so. THEIR FFL can handle transferring the firearm to UPS. OR- I know of one way that you can legally GIVE them the weapon. It involves torch cutting the receiver in 3 places- and log it out of your bound volume as "Receiver destroyed by torch cutting". At that point, it is no longer a firearm, and not regulated by the ATF. Ask which they would rather have.
When you talk to the folks at UPS, you might point out- if they damage a shipment of morphine between a drug maker and a pharmacy, they do NOT get the morphine as salvage UNLESS they have a DEA number!
PS- Ran the question thru an acquaintance that is an ATF Firearms agent. He agrees with above.0 -
Don't you jump through hoops. Since you already have the sender's FFL information:
1. Bought firearm
2. Firearm unsatisfactory
3. Seller sends full refund
4. Ship rifle back to seller
******************That's where your end is finished******************
The seller gave you a full refund. How he got the money means squat to you.
Advise UPS (after the fact) that you've shipped back to the seller.
Now, UPS and the seller deal with it. It's the seller's insurance, not yours. Best, Joe0 -
I believe that Illinois requires a 24 HR wait on long gun purchases whether they are either FFL to individual or individual to individual. Check the ISP Web Site as I do not believe you can just turn it over to a UPS driver when he arrives. 0 -
Not coming to amiable agreement with UPS about the disposition of the rifle, might cause you future grief. If you have a lot of stuff delivered by them. Best not be burning your bridges, try to work things out with them. Don't be giving them ultimatums, as you probably need their services, way more then they need your business. 0 -
If you received a refund from the seller, then it is the seller's. It should be returned to them. 0 -
I had the same situation and the way it was resolved was that the useable part of the gun was sold for scrap and the seller notified UPS that the item was scraped and it was a FFL controlled item. The Item was sold to a person in Oregon and it was shipped from Washington. Oregons local UPS center didn't want the FFL hasle Washington UPS didn't want the hassel and the Headquaters in ARIZ. Didn't want the hassel. So the seller sold it for scrap and every one was happy. USPS wants the broken item and they pitch it in a dumpster and document the disposal and they seem to be happy that way.....Pat[:D] 0 -
Acording to the seller the gun is no longer his. It belongs to UPS. He talks about UPS selling it or giving it to a salvage company. His understanding is that they are to contact me to arrange to pick up the rifle. I called and emailed the adjuster that came to my house and inspected the gun and explained my problem to him. No reply yet. As many guns as I have heard about being damaged by UPS on this site and others, they should have a procedure in place. This is not about me puting UPS through any hoops. It is about me, as a C&R Liscense holder, following the letter of the law to avoid getting myself in any legal trouble. If the salvage company has an FFL, I can transer it to them. I cannot transfer it to the driver unless he has an Illinois FOID card. Waiting period on face to face only applies at a gunshow. The problem with me transfering it to the driver when I know it is actualy going to the salvage company is that it could be considered a straw purchase. I had hoped that somone here had went through this process and could tell me what to expect. My plan is to try to buy broken gun parts from UPS myself for a token amount and end the nightmare there. Until there is a legal means for me to get the gun off my books, it stays with me. 0 -
slumlord44,
I quite frankly don't care what UPS wants. They shouldn't have damaged it in the first place!
The final disposition of any firearm under any circumstances comes from ATF not anyone else. You need to call the Technical Branch and ask the question then request the answer in writing. UPS can wait for the legal pronouncement from ATF before anything takes place that can't be undone.
If UPS has a problem with that, let them get a ruling in writing from ATF.
Best.0
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