5.56 AR Black rifle
Can someone please tell me who makes the best 5.56 black rifle on the market I realize the (best)is open to interpretation but I would take any of your comments. As always thanking you all in advance.
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being a police officer and certified ar-15 armor.... Bushmaster is the best, most solid build and reliable ar-15 , aka the black rifle. 0 -
Just depends on who you ask and what you want. A lot of it comes down to opinion and what one likes. I have or have shoot at least a dozen different brands and none have really stood out over the others unless it had custom work done to it. I build most of my own these days and have them in .22, 9mm, .223, and .300 Whisper currently, have a .243 in the works right now and plans for a .45 caliber.
For mainline production guns it is hard to beat any of the name brands. Many of the parts are made by just a few companies anyhow and sold off to each name brand.
If you are looking for semi custom places like JP and Noveske, LMT, ect.
Then there are also the piston guns that is all the new rage.
The only big ones to stay away from is anything that says Hesse, Vulcan, Blackthorn. I see Century Arms has one now too and their quality on stuff has been hit or miss over the years.0 -
That is a hard question to answer [:0] Personaly I have Colt, Bushmaster, Stag and Les Baer in the ones I own. Of these I don't see one being better than the other. Nwcid gave you ones to stay away from because of quality issues. I was at a gunshow yesterday and look at the new Ruger and it doesn't look bad, time will tell as with their recalls [B)] 0 -
Do not forget the other Black Rifle. The AR-180 & AR-180B. Both are very dependable and equal to if not better than the AR15 family of rifles. My 2 Cents [8D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tavarish
Can someone please tell me who makes the best 5.56 black rifle on the market I realize the (best)is open to interpretation but I would take any of your comments. As always thanking you all in advance.
Too hard to answer this since "best" depends on what you want to do with it.
As mentioned, there are only so many makers of parts, and the manufacturers use only so many suppliers (meaning that many of the parts in the "name" brands are really the same).0 -
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
As mentioned, there are only so many makers of parts, and the manufacturers use only so many suppliers (meaning that many of the parts in the "name" brands are really the same).Contrary to what you often hear the ill informed state, when you get a Colt you're paying for more than just the name.
They are the only manufacturer that sells AR's to the public manufactured completely in accordance with the government's 'technical data package' used for our military's weapons. This very exacting TDP covers every aspect of manufacture on each and every part, pin and spring as well as it's assembly in the rifle.
One example is that it calls for each bolt to be magnetic particle inspected for hidden flaws, but the vast majority of other makes only batch test their's. This is the most highly stressed part in these rifles and IMHO should be MP'ed on any AR you're staking your life on.
As has been stated, other AR's are actually built using mostly parts supplied by various manufacturers and these sources often change over time depending upon availability, pricing, etc. This inconsistency of manufacture can be observed by disassembling two identical rifles from the same manufacturer. Don't be suprised to see that they contain components from entirely different suppliers - which can invariably be found to have slightly different characteristics. Such inconsistency of components is the underlying cause of the majority of those 'HELP: AR problem' type posts you see here.
Notice how often you see non-Colt AR's described as 'milspec' guns, but in truth this is impossible. Milspec refers to a piece of equipment manufactured following a government TDP and by contract Colt is the only manufacturer allowed to use it for rifles sold to the public. What these other manufacturers really mean is that their rifles may contain a few components built to military specifications they obtained through subcontractors which supply Colt.
100% TDP compliance is the best guarantee that your rifle will function correctly right out of the box - and continue to do so even when ridden hard.
All AR's might look the same to the casual observer, but they're not created equal. The devil is in the details and if I'm depending upon a rifle I want each one covered closely - which is what that TDP guarantees.
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quote:Originally posted by shoff14
....if I want to trust my life with that rifle, I want the highest quality product available with as much QC done to that rifle as possible. That is the difference in price between a Bushmaster, RRA, DPMS vs. a Colt, LMT, Noveske, BCM, ect.
Exactly.
It's far from the only example I could cite, but just last week a local LEO showed up for a patrol rifle class with his new Bushmaster. It went down after only a couple of hundred rounds due to an obviously out of spec receiver extension.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
All AR's might look the same to the casual observer, but they're not created equal. The devil is in the details and if I'm depending upon a rifle I want each one covered closely - which is what that TDP guarantees.
This is the key to what rifle people need to purchase and how much they need to spend. People don't understand that. Although most of the dimensions on the rifles are the same. The Milspec parts depend on quality testing in order to insure they are Mil spec. If a company is batch testing bolts, that is not mil spec. If they are not high pressure and magnetic particle testing their barrels, that is not mil spec. These little items can make a big difference on a bad day. If I want to have fun at the range every other weekend, there isn't an AR on the market that won't work. However, if I want to trust my life with that rifle, I want the highest quality product available with as much QC done to that rifle as possible. That is the difference in price between a Bushmaster, RRA, DPMS vs. a Colt, LMT, Noveske, BCM, ect.0 -
You would find it hard to do better than the Colt AR-15. These are copied by just about everybody! I would suggest you stay away from thr Bushmaster. 0 -
This is like asking someone who has the best pizza. Any quality name brand can be good or bad. You get the luck of the draw. If your looking at this is an investment than buy a Colt. I do have a Colt SP1, I also have a couple of Armalites, a DPMS, a Rock River and a CMMG. there all good but I would not hesitate to buy a few others including stag. I can't say any one is better than the others. The Colt would have a higher value than the others but from what I can see there is no other advantage. 0 -
There are dozens of companies that manufacture the AR-15 and while I only have one as opposed to many here that have posted replies who have many I very much like my S&W M&P 15. I have not had any complaints with it. Except maybe ammo prices but that's another topic entirely.
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