Can I own a Suppressor?
You can own Suppressors in the following states: AL, AR, AK, AZ, CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, MD, ME, MO, MS, MT, NE, NV, NH, NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WA, WV, WI and WY. Just thought this might help!
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Mebbe I'll rtfm on what and where and post a color coded map... perhaps if I do nwcid would make it part of his sticky...
Mods - pls move to general discussion if needed....0 -
A map sure would help. I get asked this everyday and just thought it might help. Thanks 0 -
Unfortunately, I don't need a map. NO ONE in the State of Minnesota can own or POSSESS any device which suppresses the sound of a firearm. Unless TEMPORARY written conditions expressly about a given situation and the Agency requesting shows need to the Governor. The written conditions will include when the conditions end. And permission will not be allowed to extend the conditions without the situation itself being deemed necessary.
Case in point. In MN no LE Agencies own or possess a suppressor. The DNR was tasked with thinning the overwhelming suburban deer herds. So, as not to arouse the public they sent for suppresors. The suppressors were sent to Wisconsin. The DNR went to Wisconsin. Picked them up. Thinned the herds over a given time. Then, returned the suppressors to Wisconsin where they were dispursed to where ever they came from or were going (I understand the department handling this in Wisconsin got a couple). That is how anal they (I say they because I'm a transplant) are about suppressors.0 -
Not really new info by any means. If you read the sticky at the top of this post it covers all NFA stuff.
I might even know where there are a few.....
quote:Originally posted by iwannausername
Mebbe I'll rtfm on what and where and post a color coded map... perhaps if I do nwcid would make it part of his sticky...
Mods - pls move to general discussion if needed....
I would love to. The only reason I have it locked is dont want it to be a run away thread. As it says at the bottom of the thread any suggestions would be great, just takes a simple email.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
Unfortunately, I don't need a map. NO ONE in the State of Minnesota can own or POSSESS any device which suppresses the sound of a firearm.
Any device than can suppress the sound of a firearm?
So pillows and soda-pop bottles are banned in MN? [;)]
Just for clarification, here is the actual MN State law. It has to be a device DESIGNED to suppress a guns report. Also SWAT teams and Wildlife control officers are expressly permitted to have suppressors, so long as they are operating under specific instructions, and the suppressors are accounted for:
quote: https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?type=s&num=609.66&year=2007
Subd. 1a. Felony crimes; silencers prohibited; reckless discharge. (a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 1h, whoever does any of the following is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced as provided in paragraph (b):
(1) sells or has in possession any device designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm;
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Subd. 1h. Silencers; authorized for law enforcement and wildlife control purposes. (a)
Notwithstanding subdivision 1a, paragraph (a), clause (1), licensed peace officers may use devices designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm for tactical emergency response operations. Tactical emergency response operations include execution of high risk search and arrest warrants, incidents of terrorism, hostage rescue, and any other tactical deployments involving high risk circumstances. The chief law enforcement officer of a law enforcement agency that has the need to
use silencing devices must establish and enforce a written policy governing the use of the devices.
(b) Notwithstanding subdivision 1a, paragraph (a), clause (1), until July 1, 2011, an
enforcement officer, as defined in section 97A.015, subdivision 18, a wildlife area manager, an employee designated under section 84.0835, or a person acting under contract with the commissioner of natural resources, at specific times and locations that are authorized by the commissioner of natural resources may use devices designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm for wildlife control operations that require stealth. If the commissioner determines that the use of silencing devices is necessary under this paragraph, the commissioner must:
(1) establish and enforce a written policy governing the use, possession, and transportation of the devices;
(2) limit the number of the silencing devices maintained by the Department of Natural Resources to no more than ten; and
(3) keep direct custody and control of the devices when the devices are not specifically authorized for use.
Subd. 2. Exceptions. Nothing in this section prohibits the possession of the articles
mentioned by museums or collectors of art or for other lawful purposes of public exhibition.0 -
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
Unfortunately, I don't need a map. NO ONE in the State of Minnesota can own or POSSESS any device which suppresses the sound of a firearm.
Any device than can suppress the sound of a firearm?
So pillows and soda-pop bottles are banned in MN? [;)]
It is a felony if you are caught using either as a "device to silence a shot" Yes, stick a plastic pop bottle on your barrel and be seen and you could do some serious jail time here. [;)](back at ya!)
Just for clarification, here is the actual MN State law. It has to be a device DESIGNED to suppress a guns report. Also SWAT teams and Wildlife control officers are expressly permitted to have suppressors, so long as they are operating under specific instructions, and the suppressors are accounted for:
quote: https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/bin/getpub.php?type=s&num=609.66&year=2007
Subd. 1a. Felony crimes; silencers prohibited; reckless discharge. (a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 1h, whoever does any of the following is guilty of a felony and may be sentenced as provided in paragraph (b):
(1) sells or has in possession any device designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm;
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Subd. 1h. Silencers; authorized for law enforcement and wildlife control purposes. (a)
Notwithstanding subdivision 1a, paragraph (a), clause (1), licensed peace officers may use devices designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm for tactical emergency response operations. Tactical emergency response operations include execution of high risk search and arrest warrants, incidents of terrorism, hostage rescue, and any other tactical deployments involving high risk circumstances. The chief law enforcement officer of a law enforcement agency that has the need to
use silencing devices must establish and enforce a written policy governing the use of the devices.
(b) Notwithstanding subdivision 1a, paragraph (a), clause (1), until July 1, 2011, (note termination date)
an enforcement officer, as defined in section 97A.015, subdivision 18, a wildlife area manager, an employee designated under section 84.0835, or a person acting under contract with the commissioner of natural resources, at specific times and locations that are authorized by the commissioner of natural resources may use devices designed to silence or muffle the discharge of a firearm for wildlife control operations that require stealth. If the commissioner determines that the use of silencing devices is necessary under this paragraph, the commissioner must:
(1) establish and enforce a written policy governing the use, possession, and transportation of the devices;
(2) limit the number of the silencing devices maintained by the Department of Natural Resources to no more than ten; and
(3) keep direct custody and control of the devices when the devices are not specifically authorized for use.
Subd. 2. Exceptions. Nothing in this section prohibits the possession of the articles
mentioned by museums or collectors of art or for other lawful purposes of public exhibition.
I also want you to know I started my post with "Unfortunately". I would like to own one. I can't do that here.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
It is a felony if you are caught using either as a "device to silence a shot" Yes, stick a plastic pop bottle on your barrel and be seen and you could do some serious jail time here. [;)](back at ya!)
Of course, I was just pulling your leg. I posted the relevant law mainly to clarify for anyone else.
Its not only against MN state law, but also against Federal law to possess a unlicensed supressor, including (of course) a homemade one.
Got a pop bottle in your range bag? Legal.
Tape said bottle to the muzzle of your gun? Felony.
The point is, even though the govt can ban putting these things on your gun, it can't really prevent people from having them, as apparently its pretty easy to cobble together a cheap disposable silencer.
I (fortunately) now live in a State where supressors are legal, and I am seriously considering getting one (the legal way, of course). Its not because I want/need to do anything particularly devious, but simply because I'd love to be able to fire my .22 rifle at the range without ear protection.0 -
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
Of course, I was just pulling your leg. I posted the relevant law mainly to clarify for anyone else.
Its not only against MN state law, but also against Federal law to possess a unlicensed supressor, including (of course) a homemade one, unless properly registered. It is 100% legal to make your own silencers as long as you send in and have a Form 1 come back approved.
Got a pop bottle in your range bag? Legal.
Tape said bottle to the muzzle of your gun? Felony. Unless you have the bottle registered. There was a company selling a coupler to hook a pop bottle to your gun. The adapter was the registered part and the bottle was considered a disposable item like a wipe in an old style silencer.
The point is, even though the govt can ban putting these things on your gun, it can't really prevent people from having them, as apparently its pretty easy to cobble together a cheap disposable silencer.
I (fortunately) now live in a State where supressors are legal, and I am seriously considering getting one (the legal way, of course). Its not because I want/need to do anything particularly devious, but simply because I'd love to be able to fire my .22 rifle at the range without ear protection.
You can make a silencer at home using a piece of pipe, some fender washers and a couple end caps for about $20. This is 100% legal IF you fill out a Form 1 and get it back approved prior to building it.
I plan on building my own this fall for my GSG rifles.0 -
I'd like to be able to build one for a Ruger like the one in the pic, the NFA dealers here in town are a bit too pricey for my taste; is it possible to get one in another state that allows legal purchase and then bring it home?
What sort of hoops would I have to leap through to carry it across state lines (from one state that allows use/possession to another)?
Again, the folks (that I've met/spoken with) in my state (nM) are way too expensive, and are kinda pinche about selling just a suppressor without making all the money they can.
I like Nanooq's Maglite modification, but I guess I need to figger out how much interior volume I'll need for a 300WM, and how much $ to thread the barrel.0 -
quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
I'd like to be able to build one for a Ruger like the one in the pic, the NFA dealers here in town are a bit too pricey for my taste; is it possible to get one in another state that allows legal purchase and then bring it home?
What sort of hoops would I have to leap through to carry it across state lines (from one state that allows use/possession to another)?
Again, the folks (that I've met/spoken with) in my state (nM) are way too expensive, and are kinda pinche about selling just a suppressor without making all the money they can.
I like Nanooq's Maglite modification, but I guess I need to figger out how much interior volume I'll need for a 300WM, and how much $ to thread the barrel.
Hate to say it but unless you have the proper tools and materials I would not even think about building one rated for .300 WM. Building one for .22-9mm (or similar pressure rounds) can be done fairly simply by most people with a little skill.
Not sure what pricy is to you but depending on brand you are looking at .22 can are about $300-400 (there are some that are cheeper and some that are higher of course). For a .300 WM rated can you are looking at about $1000. The one in the pic on my AR is rated for .300 WM which is why I got it. All said and done (can+paperwork+taxes) was about $1300.
No matter if you build a can or buy a can it is $200 right off the bat for the ATF stamp (no avoiding that unless you are an SOT then you pay a yearly fee). You can buy a can from out of state but it can ONLY be transfered to you from a local dealer. Most dealers charge between $50 and $150 to do NFA transfers with $75 being about the normal. If you find a good deal online this can work out for you, this is how I got my SWR Trident (on the Glock). You can freely travel between states with silencers (assuming it is legal in both states), other NFA items require that you fill out a Form 5320.20 and have it back approved before you leave the state it is registered in.
Here IS the place to get your barrel threaded if you have to send your gun out, http://www.tornado-technologies.com/ Mike is a hell of a guy I have met him in person to do some of my guns. If you have a good local gunsmith he should be able to do it too.0
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