WINCHESTER 94 .32 Win Special DATE OF MANUF ?
Serial number 2739194. .Is this Pre 64 ?
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According to Bert's thread http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=245213 the last 1963 ("Pre-64") Model 94 serial number was 2,599,000. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MFI
Serial number 2739194. .Is this Pre 64 ?
No, it is not. It was manufactured in the year 1964.
I have just very recently discovered that the pre-1964 serial numbers actually reached just over 2,600,000 (2,600,298).0 -
So post 64 huh ? Run of the mill just like a 70's gun ? No premium ? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MFI
So post 64 huh ? Run of the mill just like a 70's gun ? No premium ?
Post 64's continue to rise in value too, if the condition is there. There is an emerging post 64 market that IMO continues to be strong. this market is just right for new collectors that are learning and cant yet afford the pre stuff. Dont count out a post 64 gun IMO.0 -
quote:Originally posted by MFI
So post 64 huh ? Run of the mill just like a 70's gun ? No premium ?
Correct... post 1963, very common, and definitely no premium on the value. Most mid 1960s vintage Model 94s look horrible, as it took Winchester several years to figure out how to blue the receiver/frame so that they looked decent.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
quote:Originally posted by MFI
So post 64 huh ? Run of the mill just like a 70's gun ? No premium ?
Correct... post 1963, very common, and definitely no premium on the value. Most mid 1960s vintage Model 94s look horrible, as it took Winchester several years to figure out how to blue the receiver/frame so that they looked decent.
Look at what the post 64 guns have done in the last couple years. Young (new) collectors have gobbled up most of the NIB 94's and are driving the price up nicely![8D] 100 years from now they might really be worth something![:D]
You can bid on this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132918704
or this:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132582237
And still have a pretty nice Winny for not much $!0 -
The asking prices are certainly up on the post 64 rifles, but as soon as US Repeating Arms announced they were closing, Dealers boosted prices 50-100%. Kind of like the Obama panic on guns and ammo where folks are paying $35 for a brick of .22's because someone convinced them they will never be able to get it again. Some folks are paying the inflated prices as well. Only time will tell if those values hold, and my guess is that the post-64's will have a flurry of fame and then settle back in the shooter price range. 0 -
According to the book "Winchester Dates of Manufacture 1849-1984", published by Art and Reference House, Brownsboro, Texas, the beginning serial number of year 1964 was 2,586,001, BUT no serial number is provided the the end of 1964.
Production year 1965 began with serial number 2,797,429, and the number made in that year was 97,000 rifles.
So, your S/N 2,739,194 certainly appears to be the end of the 1964 production year, and it is therefore a 1964 model.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bergtreffer
According to the book "Winchester Dates of Manufacture 1849-1984", published by Art and Reference House, Brownsboro, Texas, the beginning serial number of year 1964 was 2,586,001, BUT no serial number is provided the the end of 1964.
Production year 1965 began with serial number 2,797,429, and the number made in that year was 97,000 rifles.
So, your S/N 2,739,194 certainly appears to be the end of the 1964 production year, and it is therefore a 1964 model.
The reference you quote (written by George Madis) is horribly in accurate, and it should not be used for determining accurate DOMs or production numbers for any of the many Winchester Models listed[xx(].
The year 1964 most certainly did not start with serial number 2,586,001! I just happen to have in my possession a factory invoice that is dated 2-7-1963 for a consecutive serial numbered pair of Model 94 Carbines (serial numbers 2,600,010 and 2,600,011).
What can be accurately stated, is that the year 1964 began with serial number 2,700,000.0 -
BertH: Thanks for the information. Is there available a book/source that has accurate information? George Madis as left me otherwise under impressed on a different score. I have in my possession an early production Winchester Model-97 12-ga. shotgun. It is the only M-97 that I have ever seen that has an aluminum front grip, in stead of wood. It looks exactly like a wooden front grip, except that it is aluminum. For a while I suspected that perhaps a former gun owner used a wood front grip as a pattern, cast and finished an aluminum grip, and then assembled it to the shotguns push bar lever (or whatever that steel bar is called). One day I took the aluminum front grip off and very closely examined it, and I took off a wooden front grip from one of my other M-97s. (I had five M-97s at that time.) I inspected and compared both of the front grips, fit and finish, and how both were joined by push-seated metal fittings. It appears that in both cases, Winchester used a press fitting to join the circular steel accuator/push rod to the front grip. The rear of the front grip and the front of the accuator/push rod have circular metal elements that, when pushed together under pressure, join the two pieces. Under normal hand manipulation I can not seperate the two pieces, because of the pressed bond. Having studied the details of this particular component of both shotguns, I came to the conclusion that both of the front hand grips were manufactured and installed at the factory. The aluminum hand grip seems to be so perfectly a metal version of the wood grip, that I believe 99 1/2 percent that it is in fact a Winchester grip. In addition, there had to be some sort of special tool/fitting to press the two mating sections together. And so, I wrote a letter to Madis about this, in care of his book's publisher, but I never heard a word from him. I believed that he would have been very interested in this information, but either he never got my letter, or he really doesn't care.
Anyway, BertH, if you have ever heard of an aluminum front grip on a M-97 I would like to learn what you know. The one I have is the only one I have seen, and I have seen quite a number M-97s.0 -
Bergtreffer: Start a new post. Ask your question again (cut and paste your information here over to the new post).
This post locks out when it exceeds ten posts..and will be locked out shortly. Best, Joe0
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