Ithaca double barrel hammer gun...
There doesn't seem to be much info. out there on the old "New Ithaca Gun" marked side by side shotguns with hammers. I have one in the 13XXX s.n. range. It is a 12 ga. with 30" damascus bbls. Probably about 70% condition (maybe better) in good working condition. It's strictly a wallhanger, but I'm curious if someone can give a little history on when these were made, values, if there is any collector interest, etc. Thanks!
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I could offer a little insight to the New Ithaca Double or NID but not a "New Ithaca Gun" The NID was produced from about 1932 until after WW II. Ithaca had several doubles with Damascus barrels but the ones I am familar with were hammerless, i.e. Crass, Flues models. You must have something made in the last decade of the 19th century. This wouldn't be a Belgian knock off would it? 0 -
Hi Robin:
A little more information on this gun...
There are 3 patent dates, May 25 1880 June 1 1880 Sept 13 1887.
Also, the butt plate has a circular logo that says "Ithaca Gun" with 2 ducks on it.0 -
Hello John,
You have a Baker Model that was made circa 1890. The Baker Model was a SxS hammer gun made by Ithaca.
If it is truly in 70% graded condition (which means 70% of the case colors still on the frame), it is very collectable. If the bores are in excellent condition, it can still be shot with the proper black powder or low-pressure smokeless loads.0 -
Thanks for the info. I'd say it is 70%, however the bores are pitted/fouled. Just curious, but why doesn't it say Baker anywhere? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by johnw1961
Thanks for the info. I'd say it is 70%, however the bores are pitted/fouled. Just curious, but why doesn't it say Baker anywhere?
Ithaca was never in the habit of marking the Model name on their guns (e.g. the Lewis, Crass, Flues, and NID were not marked either). The serial number is the primary method of determining which specific model they are.
The pitted/fouled bores are a negative hit to the collector value. What it is actually worth is anyone's guess (but not mine).0 -
Thanks again for the good info.! 0 -
Sears Roebuck was still selling Damascus shotguns in their 1909 catalog.
If you can find a reprint you may find one that matches yours.
They also advertised the 1889 Remington hammer double among others.
I have shot mine with light loads.
Remington and I assume others were still making Damascus guns into the early 1900s.
There were three Ithaca hammer doubles:
The earliest was designed by W.h.Baker, the second was "New Ithaca Gun, 1888-1915 and the third was New Double Bolted Hammer Gun 1915-1919. It had an additional lockup in the rib extension and had coil springs.
The A probably referred to grade on all guns.
Values on fair condition run between 175-225.
When Ithaca was in operation they had a Flues model double with a bayonet attached, displayed in their museum.
It was recovered from a Japanese soldier shot out of a tree during the Pacific Island campaign.0 -
Hey guys help me out i have a double barrel new ithaca shot gun
The numbers 18735 is stamped on the action breech and stock tang as well has for arm and barrel. also on the breech it says A 10 also pat. jun 1880 may 23 1880
Its a double hammered shot gun that i have been putting off to long. It belonged to my grand father was borrowed and traded but returned to my father a few years after his death. I recently had the opportunity get the gun from him and would like to restore it. I need to identify what the model is in hopes that i can track down parts or a doner gun. My father has been a dedicated to raising thousands of dollars for DU and pheasants forever he receives all kinds of rewards for it but this year we plan to have a bogus drawing in which we present him with grandpas gun.
Does any one have any idea who or were would could find parts and what it even is.
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quote:Originally posted by johnw1961
There doesn't seem to be much info. out there on the old "New Ithaca Gun" marked side by side shotguns with hammers. I have one in the 13XXX s.n. range. It is a 12 ga. with 30" damascus bbls. Probably about 70% condition (maybe better) in good working condition. It's strictly a wallhanger, but I'm curious if someone can give a little history on when these were made, values, if there is any collector interest, etc. Thanks!
John, I have recently aquired a similar weapon to this. Have you ever concluded the date of manufacture and the true distributer of yours? My S/N is in the 47XXX range. Tom0 -
Hello Tom and All:
I tried to email you at Verizon, but some kind of problem there...
The best description I got was from a blurb for a book called "The Ithaca Gun Company from the Beginning", 2nd edition, by Walter Snyder. He is apparently the Ithaca shotgun "expert". The sales ad for the book stated that the post-Baker model hammer guns are now considered to be a model of their own whose serial numbers fall between the Baker and Crass models. I did not buy the book since it was $90.00. They also did not have it at my local library (of course). My gun is s.n. 13xxx with 1887 the last of three patent dates. Please let me know if you find anything else out about these.
Sorry I couln't be of more help. Sincerely, John Williams0
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