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J.P. Sauer & Sohn rifle

novicebuilder
Hello,
I have a J.P. Sauer & Sohn single shot, single barrel rifle. Its 9.3mm x (57mm?). Looks like a straight wall cartridge. The rifle is old and was part of my wife's great-grandfather's collection.

Barrel breaks open using a lever under the trigger guard, has dual triggers (one is a set-trigger), fancy engraving, nice wood and blade sights. "Hannover" is engraved on the right side of the receiver. Lots of German wording on the left side.

The only Sauers I could find in the Blue Book were drilling rifles, but this one is a single barrel.

I can't seem to easily place a picture in this post, but I can email one.

Thanks,
Ernie
wermorin@comcast.net
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  • Tailgunner1954
    There are a BUNCH of 9.3's. The "R" stands for rimmed
    some of the more "common" ones include
    9.3 x 53R (Rimmed bottleneck case) Based on the 7.62x54R Russian
    9.3 x 60R Turkish Mauser (Rimmed bottleneck case)
    9.3 x 62 Mauser (rimless bottleneck case)
    9.3 x 72R Schutzen (Rimmed straight case)
    9.3 x 74R (Rimmed bottleneck case)
    9.3 x 82R Stahl "Nimrod" (Rimmed straight case)
    9.5 x 47R Schutzen Rimmed straight case)

    (and my metric collection is small)
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  • Hawk Carse
    J.P. Sauer made a lot of stuff that didn't cross the Pond to the Colonies. Sounds like what I learned to call a stalking rifle. There is a sticky above that tells how to post pictures.
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  • DRGM
    Ernie,

    from what you described it sounds like a Sauer & Sohn model ,Tell" rifle. This is a simple and cheap single shot rifle for low pressure cartridges, so a 9.3 x 57R/360 could match. Some of the mentioned 9.3s simply can be ruled out, as there are to powerful for such a gun (e.g. the 9.3 x 74R would be much too much!). Any calibre markings present on bottom of the barrel?

    Sauer made the Tell at least since 1900 until the beginning of the war. Look here:

    http://www.oldhuntingguns.com/Details.155.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_fwwcat_pi1[showUid]=81&L=1


    If it's a Tell, it should look like this. Does yours have the lever on the left side? It is for disassembling it. If not, than it is the even cheaper version without the possibility to take the barrel off.

    What's the serial number? Maybe I can help you to narrow down the year of production. If it was made after September 1923, there should be present a proof date (like 428 = April 1928, 1131 = November 1931, and so on).

    What's the wording on the left side? Maybe ,H. Scherping, Hofb?chsenmacher" (H. Scherping, gun smith to the court)? Just a hunch, as H. Scherping had a gun shop in Hannover and he signed his guns this way. If not, please tell me (us) what the wording is - I can make a tranlation, if you like.

    Regards

    Martin
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  • nononsense
    novicebuilder,

    Welcome to the Gunbroker Forums!

    I agree with the other posters that (1) it is probably a 'stalking rifle' and (2) it probably is chambered for a rimmed cartridge. Here is a link to a new book about J.P. Sauer & Sohn firearms:

    J.P. Sauer & Sohn book

    There are other places to look for better prices but this has the short description.

    Here is an example of a Sauer 'Stalking Rifle':

    stalkingriflesauersohnt.jpg

    Best.
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  • egrant
    I just bought one of these, it looks to be marked 9.3X57. Can it be reloaded, are components available? Any ides of value? It is an underlever with double set triggers. eGrant
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  • rufe-snow
    quote:Originally posted by egrant
    I just bought one of these, it looks to be marked 9.3X57. Can it be reloaded, are components available? Any ides of value? It is an underlever with double set triggers. eGrant


    To answer your questions, we need quality photos. Specially of the German Proof Marks. They will be located on the underside of the barrel. And on the receiver under the barrel.
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  • cbyerly
    I have a j. P. Sauer Tell III rifle in 22 Winchester center fire. It is marked with the name and address of the retailer in Munich. It is nearly identical to the pictres of the one posted here except it does not have the provision for a scope.
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  • nononsense
    egrant,

    quote:...it looks to be marked 9.3X57. Can it be reloaded, are components available?

    Is the cartridge designation marked with a 'R' which stands for Rimmed?

    If yes, the Buffalo Arms has the brass in stock:

    http://www.buffaloarms.com/9.3x57R_360_Reloading_Brass_it-175417.aspx?CAT=3831

    If not Rimmed then Norma makes the standard 9.3x57 brass:

    http://www.buffaloarms.com/93X57_Reloading_Brass_it-161707.aspx?CAT=3831

    I reload for the 9.3x57 (rimless) in older Mauser 98 and Husquvarna bolt rifles. Reloading is a super way to keep these older rifles fed proper ammunition.

    The bullets are available from many of the regular manufacturers as a 0.366" diameter. I've been using the Nosler partitions for hunting. Excellent accuracy which will work up through moose given proper placement and distance.

    Best.

    ADDED:

    Huntington's carries Horneber brass in stock which can be modified for the 9.3x57 or 9.3x57R.

    Best.
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  • egrant
    The Tell was a 9.3X57R, and it sold on this site for $625. Neat gun, would have made a great reloading project as the bore was very good. eGrant
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