Looking for suggestions
What are some opinions on Sauer handguns? Grandson purchased a Springfield, I believe, in .40 ACP caliber. Looks like it can be broken down in a few seconds. If I get one then we only need one set of loading dies. Any pecularities? Inherent problems? Ease of stripping, cleaning, assembly, etc. Cabela's has a sale on them.
Thanks in advance, Bob
Thanks in advance, Bob
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I'm new to handguns and I'm looking for the right handgun to carry for personal protection while I'm out in the southern Az desert. Would like any information/suggestions on the different manufactures/models, new/used prices. Currently, I'm considering a 4in .357mag. --Tnx. 0 -
Sig-Sauer is sort of the Mercedes Benz of handguns; perfect fit, perfect finish, a joy to own. But, a little large & a little heavy for some folks. Plus, more expensive than the others.
But, on sale? I'd go for it.
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Oops, should have mentioned that I have a NIB Beretta 92FS acquired from a chap 3 years ago who was leaving a gun show whlle I was just going in.....right place at right time. Is the Sauer as easy to dissasemble/reassemble as the 92? I like the feel of the 92, fits the hand quite well. 0 -
The Sig-Sauer will fit your hand as good if not better than the Beretta. I have both and my Sigs fit my small hand a little better.
Both break down very easy for cleaning and lubing.
Grab the Sig if the price is right, you can't go wrong0 -
Great guns at any price. 0 -
BOBINWIS- The .40 caliber is called a .40 S&W, not acp. Just thought I'd help you on the nomenclature. The Sigs are great guns, but heavy and expensive. Have you checked out the Springfield Armory XD-40? The XD is one of the finest auto pistols to come out in many years. A bunch of Glock shooters now shoot the XD ( I'm one of them!) 0 -
Howdy there bobinwis,
Er, what model Suaer? Sauer only makes rifles/shotguns these days, and long ago pistols before the .40 came around. So, I'll asssume Sig-Sauer. What model, then?
Here's my experience: Years ago, buddy o' mine had a shiny, pretty stainless steel Sig P226, I had a blued first year Taurus PT99, (the Berreta 92 poor-boy copy). Both 9mm. Toss in anything... new, used, handload, HP's, dirty, clean, whatever, into that Volkswagon Taurus and it went bang. Always. Not so with the overpriced buy-the-name Sig! It wanted a diet of brand new sparkling clean name-brand ammo to run right. When so fed, though, it is a winner. Go figure.
Well, one easy figure... compare the loading ramps, and cartridge angle off the magazine for insertion into chamber. Practically a straight in-line situation for Berreta 92 engineering, the hands down top-dog in catagory there. Best I've ever seen.
Accuracy: Maybe the nod goes to Siggy-boy?, but both pistols shoot better than their owners, so really dunno? Both do very well for out of the box. Lasting power... we're still shooting 'em, and both have held up well without a hitch after 25+ years. (jeeze, gettin' old here). Oops, wait.... My PT99 did have the rear sight shake loose, which I corrected myself. Big deal.
Ergonomics: Like fingerprints, all different for each individual. While I rib my pal about the cost difference/ammo preference, (ha, and I'm going to send this off to him for more friendly ribbing), I do like the P226 more. Less muzzle flip, too. Hogue grips on the PT99 have made a big difference, though the nod still goes to the P226.
That all said, Sig-Sauer has many govt./police contracts, including I believe our Seal teams in the P226? That says something, and I've seen others being very successful in hand-loading for them. So there ya go, bobinwis, confused, huh?! Well, you want it, get it by all means. As nmeyers stated, they are truly finely made and of world class. (Me, I'm still an ancient old 1911 .45 guy, given all three, so what do I know?).
On sale? At Cabela's? Do you mean the loading dies or the Sig???? My only access to them is online and saw nada in pistols, Maybe they sell firearms in their stores? Interesting.
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Hi bobinwis,
Those Sig-Sauer handguns are built like a swiss watch and tank combined. Yes they tend to be a little heavy for some, and spendy for most, but the fact of the matter is....there are many used police/military trade ins that are in excellent condition, for half the price. I would say to get a 45 ACP version, or 9mm, and talk your grandson into trading his back in for the same. But the 40 S&W is OK if you must.
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Lets draw a distinction between Sauer (the German company) and SIG-Sauer, which is a Swiss/German combined enterprise.
J.P Sauer is an old German firm that by all accounts made great guns for its time. Here is the Sauer 38h, a small caliber handgun used by Nazi officers during the second World War. This is one of the earliest guns to use a decocking type safety, a feature later adopted into other descendant guns:
Traditionally, SIG was a Swiss company, known for its excellent designs, including the highly regarded SIG p210 match target pistol, known for its frame-around-slide design, exceptional accuracy and fine tolerances:
SIG-Sauer (most often now abbreviated as "SIG", not "Sauer"), as mentioned, is a firm based on collaboration between the older German JP Sauer and the Swiss maker SIG. In the case of the p220 series, SIG designed the guns, and Sauer built them. I think the p230 series are based on older Sauer designs.
Anyway, regardless of the history of individual models, SIG-Sauer guns are known for reliability and accuracy, in classic German/Swiss tradition. These are finely engineered guns, but generally more expensive than other name brands, intended for discerning shooters. I like to liken them to the "BMW" of firearms. You'll pay more for one, but they're about as good as you can get in production pistols.
Here is the famous SIG-Sauer P226, which as mentioned is issued to the US Navy SEALS, as well as many domestic police agencies:
If you're looking for a service type gun, you could do a lot worse than any SIG-Sauer gun.0 -
I'll second (six?) that SIG Sauer pistols are top of the line.
Their reliability is outstanding. The SIG actually surpassed the Beretta in the U.S. military pistol selection trials back in the 80's, but the Beretta was selected because it's performance exceeded the acceptable standard and their overall package price was lower.
The SIG went on to become our military's secondary issue pistol and is used by SEAL's, Delta, Army CID, Navy NCIS and USAF OSI. It's also the standard pistol of the British military, including their SAS personnel.
My agency has issued SIG pistols for many years and our personnel put tens of thousands of rounds downrange each year during training. Due to this I have the opportunity to see a wide number of pistols used, not just how one specific pistol happened to stack up against another. Over the years we've used these pistols, malfunctions/stoppages have been all but unheard of and breakages have been nonexistent.
SIG pistols are also the most accurate out-of-the-box standard production types on the market - period. With a 226 a competent shooter can maintain consistent hits on a silhouette target at 100 yds. with no problem.
Due to a combination of dwell time, spring rate and full length rails, the SIG also displays markedly less 'muzzle flip' than other pistols of the same caliber. Their speed and accuracy of follow up shots is excellent.
They are a bit expensive up front, but IMHO well worth the money when it comes to a defensive handgun.0 -
quote:In the case of the p220 series, SIG designed the guns, and Sauer built them.
Commonly said, but perhaps an oversimplification.
The pinned in internal breechblock and side decocking lever were first seen on the 38H.0
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