ortgies pistol

June 18, 2009 18:45

They are my secret firearms passion (Guys, I am deeper than just M1 Garands and machine guns) and I have several. For the most part there are no pins, screws or threaded component parts on the Ortgies pistols, even the stocks are secured to the frame without the need for screws.
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He Dog

June 18, 2009 19:53

Finding the secret of Ortgies grip removal obsesses you to this day doesn't it Mark? I promised that I would reveal the secret in 1010, you only have to be patient a few more months...

He Dog, keeper of the sacred mystries.

Commando, I have Orgies in .25 and .32 (so far[:p]) both are blue and each came with a blue mag. Lotta years to be certain the mag in the gun is the one it started with though.

Or replaced somewhere along the way. The grips on the .25 had been replaced with tasteful faux ivory grips, and I was able to at least get really nice wood replacements from a GB seller
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=131559633
Both mags are factory, but I have no way of knowing if they are original to the guns. I appreciate the article, I have it book marked for reading when I have more time. You don't see much on these, so any thing is welcome. There is a seller who also has a web site, rediscovered shooting treasures I think it is called, who does a reproduction of the original owners manual that is really terrific.

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AirCommando

June 18, 2009 20:19

I'm happy to see somebody else likes these guns too! Just today I bought another one to go with my nickle plated one. The blue one came with a nickle plated mag, which confused me. The nickle one had a nickle mag, which was understandable. I see from your pics Mark that nickle mags are with blue guns.

AC

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AirCommando

June 19, 2009 08:36

Guys,I found an article written by Donald W. Koelliker for Gun Collector magazine. In it he says that nickel magazines came with blued guns for export, after serial no. 12,000.

If yours are factory, He Dog, they must be very early![8D]

Here is a link to the excellent article. http://ortgies.net/ortgies0015.htm

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tinmanjj

June 19, 2009 12:13

thank youall for your information. a couple of years ago someone here told me he found a way to lock the slide open i have been trying ever since but the only way i found is stick a pencil in the extractor port thank you, j.j.

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mark christian

June 19, 2009 19:21

quote:Originally posted by AirCommando
Guys,I found an article written by Donald W. Koelliker for Gun Collector magazine. In it he says that nickel magazines came with blued guns for export, after serial no. 12,000.

If yours are factory, He Dog, they must be very early![8D]

Here is a link to the excellent article. http://ortgies.net/ortgies0015.htm

That was an extremely interesting article, and one which I had not read before. I've been collecting these pistols for many years and since I have never stumbled across a blued magazine for any Ortgies I had always figured (I never use the word assume because there is always some joker on a forum who figures that no one on earth has ever heard the old play on words and he plans to treat us all to it) that all of the magazines were nickel.

Here is a closer look at one of my earlier 7.65mm pistols which bears a Made In Germany stamping. I have seen many Ortgies marked like this and figured that it was placed on pistols intended for export.
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webbie1

March 26, 2010 04:45

Hey guys....I have one of these in .25 ACP myself. It was given to me by a friend and I finally had the opportunity to fire it yesterday. It fired perfectly and was surprisingly accurate. However, after about 15 rounds, it wouldn't fire anymore. It felt like it wasn't "cocking" when you'd cycle the slide back. So I took it home and found out how to disassemble it (pretty easy, really). I also see the that all of the parts are there (firing pin, spring, guide, and the little plug on the other side of the spring). I also believe that I am putting it back together correctly....compressing the spring until the little plug sticks in the detent in the slide and then putting the slide back over the frame. However, when I cycle the slide, it just doesn't feel like it's "cocking" and depressing the trigger does nothing. There's only a handful of piece involved in this equation....what am I missing? What should I be checking?

Thanks in advance,

Warner

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rufe-snow

March 26, 2010 06:44

In striker/firing pin type pistols such as the Ortgies, a part known as the sear restrains the striker/firing pin when the slide goes into battery,( all the way forward with a cartridge in the chamber ).

My Wag is either the lug on the striker/firing pin or the corresponding lug on the sear has either been broken or misaligned.

There is also a possibilty that their is a spring underneath the sear that tensions it, that is either worn or broken.

Since your pistol is over 80 years old with a unknown round count it not surprising that the internal parts should be showing their age.

quote:Originally posted by webbie1
Hey guys....I have one of these in .25 ACP myself. It was given to me by a friend and I finally had the opportunity to fire it yesterday. It fired perfectly and was surprisingly accurate. However, after about 15 rounds, it wouldn't fire anymore. It felt like it wasn't "cocking" when you'd cycle the slide back. So I took it home and found out how to disassemble it (pretty easy, really). I also see the that all of the parts are there (firing pin, spring, guide, and the little plug on the other side of the spring). I also believe that I am putting it back together correctly....compressing the spring until the little plug sticks in the detent in the slide and then putting the slide back over the frame. However, when I cycle the slide, it just doesn't feel like it's "cocking" and depressing the trigger does nothing. There's only a handful of piece involved in this equation....what am I missing? What should I be checking?

Thanks in advance,

Warner

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webbie1

March 26, 2010 10:45

quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
In striker/firing pin type pistols such as the Ortgies, a part known as the sear restrains the striker/firing pin when the slide goes into battery,( all the way forward with a cartridge in the chamber ).

My Wag is either the lug on the striker/firing pin or the corresponding lug on the sear has either been broken or misaligned.

There is also a possibilty that their is a spring underneath the sear that tensions it, that is either worn or broken.

Since your pistol is over 80 years old with a unknown round count it not surprising that the internal parts should be showing their age.

Thanks...I believe I know which pieces you are talking about. I will try to take another look at it.....it's strange that it fired about 15 shots just perfectly (and surprisingly accurately!). The bore on the barrel looks to be in very nice condition....so I don't think it's been fired a lot....but the overall condition is poor, so my guess is that it was likely STORED a lot! I'll take another look and see if I can figure out what's going on with it. I haven't found any real clubs or forums devoted to this gun, so if anyone knows of any, please point me to them.

Thanks much,

Warner

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