Olympic free style pistol (PICS added)
I have a very nice engraved target pistol. I'm sure it is an antique and made before 1898 but I would like to I.D. the make if possible. Some folks have guessed a gunsmith from Austria by the name of Koomer and this is before his time, his pistols were always marked and this one is not. It is marked on the barrel 5.4mm, nitro, and the barrel steel makers name is Bohler Stahl.
any help would be nice.
Mike
any help would be nice.
Mike
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mwhite95337,
Welcome to the Gunbroker Forums!
I suggest posting the photographs here on the forums in order to reach a broader, more informed audience. Here is a link to the explanation about how to post photographs on the forums:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=259294
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I hope I get this right, here are the images for the pistol.
mike
http://img132.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img132/9917/1245627660ptj.smil0 -
more images no slide show.
mike
http://img132.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=cimg0064desktopresoluti.jpg
Excellent pictures!
The slide show is nice but I like to look at the individual pictures to see the details.
Crown over B, U indicate proofed in assembled form and final assembled form.
Crown over G is proofed for rifled barrels.
Crown over N is for Nitro proof as you noted. The difference I see is that the B, U, G are usually attributed to Germany while the 'winged creature' stamped next to the 'Nitro' is one of the various Nitro proofs from Austria. If there is more detail on the inside of the creature or below it, it gives more information about the proof state or city.
Very nice looking free pistol.
Hopefully you will post the link to the Auction when you decide to sell it on Gunbroker.
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German proof marks as used 1891-1939.
Austrian proofs, too? I wonder if it might not have been sold after the Anschluss with Austria and Germany merged under Nazi rule and they just marked it every which way. Not much way to know at this late date.
It resembles the Beuchel - Anschutz free pistols on Martini action. It lacks the finger groove grips of the Record Match, but has the trigger button not standard on the Record. Maybe an earlier or intermediate model that my 1939 Stoeger doesn't show.
Why WON'T those Europeans put their names on their products? The cheap stuff I can see, but not branding a nice free pistol like this is just stupid... by our standards. If made after Udo Anschutz took over the line, it would be so marked, but I found pictures of Buechel guns without his name.
I think it post-dates 1898, after 1910, maybe after 1930 but before 1936.0 -
I know, a pistol this nice deserved to have a makers name on it. I think it was originaly a cased pistol with cleaning rod and the tool for adjusting the grip. It also had several replacement front sight inserts as this one is removable and is spring loaded. It has a cleaning rod hole located under the rear sight that when the breech block is lowered you can clean it from the chamber end.
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Nice pistol that to me looks like the proof marks were done BEFORE bluing However the ODD thing is the BOHLER STAHL looks like it was done years later[?][?][?]might be just the lighting. but this marking looks machine done AFTER it was blued. 0 -
I'm sure that the markings are original, not added later. The blueing could have been re done but I doubt it. Looks like a good rust blung job to me.
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I believe you will find that Bohler Stahl is the "type" of barrel, not the maker. It should mean in english, "heavy steel". I have seen this
on shotguns and rifles and pistols. It denotes a high quality, heavy
weight target barrel. What we call a "bull barrel" today.""" The German produced barrels identifying marks will be found under the barrel just in front of the rear sight base and are marked "B?hler-Stahl". The German word "Stahl" refers to steel and "B?hler" is a specific type of high quality steel developed for use in rifle barrels by the Germans. This marking can only be seen with the barrel removed from the stock. To date there is no method to differentiate the barrels of one German maker with that of another.""" Do NOT dry fire that pistol especially if it has a two stage action...first you cock it, then you "set" the trigger to get ready to fire. bob
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I agree also that from everything I can read that the barrel markings denote a special steel as like you, I too have seen this on several different types of barrels. It is serial numbered but the forearm covers up part of the number. Take a look at the pictures I have listed. I would love to be able to date he pistol but I know that is going to be had to do.
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mwhite95337,
When all else fails, look it up. Bohler IS the steel manufacturer just as barrels are marked 'Krupp' which is also a manufacturer:
http://www.bohler-uddeholm.com/
This topic closes with 10 posts, so please start a new topic marked with something like 'Part 2' or 'continued' so we can see how this ends!
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