JP Sauer & Sohn 1913 Zusatzsicherung?
Hi, long time lurker here. Great place you have here!
I've been researching this pistol that has been in my family since the early 70's, but have not found any matching pictures, so I thought I would ask for your help.
The written info I've found describes the second saftey, but the picture does not match. Considering its lineage and age, I would really like to get an accurate identification. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
If nothing else- there is now a picture of it so that all can appreciate these awesome weapons. Thanks!
-Rob
I've been researching this pistol that has been in my family since the early 70's, but have not found any matching pictures, so I thought I would ask for your help.
The written info I've found describes the second saftey, but the picture does not match. Considering its lineage and age, I would really like to get an accurate identification. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
If nothing else- there is now a picture of it so that all can appreciate these awesome weapons. Thanks!
-Rob
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Your pistol is rare. What makes it rare is the small button you have below the safety. These were only on the first few thousand made.
I have a four digit serial also. This site may help you a bit.
http://www.cruffler.com/historic-october00.html0 -
For more in depth information you might want to obtain this book on Sauer pistols.
"J. P. Sauer & Sohn - A study on automatic pistols", volume 1 by Jim Cate and Nico van Gijn.
I believe it was published in the 90's? If it's not still in print a used book source such as www.bookfinder.com might be able to obtain it.0 -
Hey, thanks for the help!
I'm looking for the book now... without tremendous success... The only copy I found so far is a signed copy and they want $354.00!
I'm not qualified, but was wondering what you might have to say about its apparent condition?0 -
quote:Originally posted by bkamuse
Hey, thanks for the help!
I'm looking for the book now... without tremendous success... The only copy I found so far is a signed copy and they want $354.00!
I'm not qualified, but was wondering what you might have to say about its apparent condition?
I've been in that position a number of times in the past, i.e. the book is out of print, and the only available copy is priced exorbitantly! I would try all the available book and collector resources on the net, before springing that kind of money. If your not a collector of Sauer pistols and are only interested in the history/rarity of the pistol thats in your family, it's very hard to justify that kind of money.0 -
I looked at my Sauer today and it's serno is 3388. A little over 100 later than yours. There is another difference between them on the address. Mine is the same except after SUHL, it has PRUSSIA. Jim Cates, the author of the Sauer book, told me this was the "English Export" variation.
You should write him with your pistol info as he maintains a database on them.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I looked at my Sauer today and it's serno is 3388. A little over 100 later than yours. There is another difference between them on the address. Mine is the same except after SUHL, it has PRUSSIA. Jim Cates, the author of the Sauer book, told me this was the "English Export" variation.
You should write him with your pistol info as he maintains a database on them.
Not wanting to dispute anything that Cates says, but it's more likely that a Sauer that was marked Prussia was intended for export sale to the U.S.. Starting in the early 1890's, U.S. law mandated that imported manufactured goods had to be marked with country of origin.
I had seen one of those "Prussia" marked Sauers years ago, it always seemed strange to me? As at that point in time, i.e. early 1900's. Prussia wasn't a independent country, but a German State. Somebody at the Sauer factory in Suhl, probably didn't understand the U.S. import law?0 -
Thanks again. I PM'd a question to you, P3. 0 -
PM answered. [:D] 0 -
quote:Not wanting to dispute anything that Cates says, but it's more likely that a Sauer that was marked Prussia was intended for export sale to the U.S.. Starting in the early 1890's, U.S. law mandated that imported manufactured goods had to be marked with country of origin.
I had seen one of those "Prussia" marked Sauers years ago, it always seemed strange to me? As at that point in time, i.e. early 1900's. Prussia wasn't a independent country, but a German State. Somebody at the Sauer factory in Suhl, probably didn't understand the U.S. import law?
Gentlemen,
Seems, there is an misunderstanding. Jim wanted to express with the term ?_oEnglish export?__, that the slide legend is in the English language.
Yes, it was intended for export to the US. The patent date ?_oMay 20, 1912?__ is the date of grant of Sauer?_Ts US patent # 1,062,121. Well, actually, said patent was granted on May 20, 1913, so Sauer made another mistake.
Regarding Rob?_Ts Sauer # 3269:
It?_Ts a Sauer 1913, first variation, sub variation A, to be exact. The first variation (both sub variations) has the odd magazine safety (as already said), sub variation A has a groove in the screw cap acting as the rear sight and has the screw cap secured by a spring-loaded pin in the back of the breech block (shouldn?_Tt you know how to disassemble it: push the pin in with the tip of a ball pen or the like, then unscrew the cap), while the sub variation B has the screw cap secured by a real rear sight mounted on top of the slide on a leaf spring.
Approximately 4300 were made of the first variation, sub variation A.
Regarding Jim?_Ts book:
quote:For more in depth information you might want to obtain this book on Sauer pistols.
"J. P. Sauer & Sohn - A study on automatic pistols?__, volume 1 by Jim Cate and Nico van Gijn.
I believe it was published in the 90's? If it's not still in print a used book source such as www.bookfinder.com might be able to obtain it.
Yes, this book is out of print. But there is a second volume:
"J. P. Sauer & Sohn - A study on automatic pistols?__, volume 2 by Jim Cate and Martin Krause (This volume II has a black dust cover with "Dein Waffenkamerad" on it).
This second volume should still be available and it has better (newer) info on the 1913s.
Regards
Martin0 -
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, good sir! 0
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