Winchester 1885 Auction
I've been watching this one, its hard to tell the real value with the reserve. what is this gun worth? Is it Original?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=131336050
Update Called the seller and he was consigning it for a recent widow he agreed to sell it to me for 5k. Called cody and got the spec sheet, looks good. Bert, I told Connie to tell you hello, she said you had'nt made it in yet, How are we supposed to buy guns???[:0][:D]
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=131336050
Update Called the seller and he was consigning it for a recent widow he agreed to sell it to me for 5k. Called cody and got the spec sheet, looks good. Bert, I told Connie to tell you hello, she said you had'nt made it in yet, How are we supposed to buy guns???[:0][:D]
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Nice looking rifle I would not be surprised if reserve was near 10 K this is a very hard time to sell high end items so maybe the reserve is $5000.00 [:p]
EDIT $5000.00 is a sizable amount of money for anyone but I think you did good [:p] would you please up date this post when you get Bert H to give you his opinion or email me from my profile. Thanks Karl.0 -
I don't know the price game, but we should all look so good at 102.
I note the windgauge front sight is gutted and some obscure scope mounts installed.
Will you shoot it or just show and tell?
I understand there will be some loss of value due to the scope base cuts, but have trouble seeing how it will be catastrophic. A reproduction Helm Schuetzen is $5281 from Meacham.
When you go to shoot it, Axtell/Riflesmith makes period sights, including a Winchester pattern windgauge front globe sight.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hawk Carse
I don't know the price game, but we should all look so good at 102.
I note the windgauge front sight is gutted and some obscure scope mounts installed.
Will you shoot it or just show and tell?
It will be shot. I will try to find the original sights that came on it, Im sure that wont be easy.
quote:Originally posted by rufe-snow
IMHO you should have got input from Burt, before springing for that kind of money. The only reason I'm saying this is because of what appears to be aftermarket scope mounting dovetails milled in the barrel. If it was just a matter of the missing original sights, that would have been something you could have worked out over time. On the other hand when a firearm has been physically altered from it's factory original condition, it has a very lasting negative effect on it's collectors value. Many big buck hard core collectors would dismiss anything not factory original, as being nothing more then a "shooter", and price it accordingly.
The seller gave me a 3 day inspection and said that if not original he would honor me backing out. I am still going to wait on Bert before I send him the $. I am hoping that seat in bbl means that it is a factory milled, but I doubt it. Thanks.0 -
IMHO you should have got input from Burt, before springing for that kind of money. The only reason I'm saying this is because of what appears to be aftermarket scope mounting dovetails milled in the barrel. If it was just a matter of the missing original sights, that would have been something you could have worked out over time. On the other hand when a firearm has been physically altered from it's factory original condition, it has a very lasting negative effect on it's collectors value. Many big buck hard core collectors would dismiss anything not factory original, as being nothing more then a "shooter", and price it accordingly. 0 -
Its gone now .. 0 -
Isn't Bert in or on his way to Cody? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rsnyder55
Isn't Bert in or on his way to Cody?
Yes, he is at Cody now and we only have one more reply left in this thread so please leave it for Bert. Thanks.[:I]...
Thanks for the support He-dog, hope all is well .0 -
Today was the set-up and opening day of the Winchester Club of America gun show... I was very busy.
OK, the rifle you just bought is an authentic Model 1885 Schuetzen Rifle, and it is a second variation. Typically, most Scheutzen rifles are found in immaculate condition, as they were highly prized (and expensive) Target/Match shooting rifles. Back in 1907, a Plain Sporting Rifle was $17.00 with no added special order features... a Schuetzen Rifle was $63.00[:0]. Today, an excellent condition Schuetzen Rifle is a $15,000 gun, and some go for considerably more. If this rifle was in the excellent condition category, it would have been a $16K - $17K piece.
Unfortunately, this rifle has seen some minor abuse, and has one major problem.
First the minor issues;
The front sight has been destroyed, so subtract $250. The stocks have a number of dings, dents, mars, and gouges. Nothing that a talented stock worker could not clean up and make much better... but still, deduct at least $300 - $400.
Now for the major problem... the barrel has been utterly destroyed by the non-factory milled cuts for a scope mounting base, and the extra dovetail cut mid barrel for the front scope base. The fact that in addition to it being a Schuetzen rifle (where everthing found on the gun is standard), the No. 4 barrel was a special order item (an extra $2.00).
This is just my opinion, and you can take it to heart, or do with it as you wish. The cut-up mangled barrel immediately cut the value of the rifle in half (50%). The other issues reduce it from the %50 mark by the amount of $$$ it will take to correct them, plus the value of your time spent to correct them... my take, aproximately $1K. Thus, the top end of the value range on that Schuetzen rifle is about $7K. I feel that you did quite well by getting it for just $5K. I also believe that it would be a great candidate for a new barrel and minor restoration.
There you have it, and yes, I am having a lot of fun in Cody (Connie told me that you passed along your greetings).
If you would like to dicuss this in further detail, please send me a PM and I will forward you my phone number... I can chat with you any time tommorow.0 -
Thanks Bert, I sent you an email. Im not going to back out of the sale I like the gun. Talk to you tomorrow. Todd
By the way Bert, Since most of the photos I see of Schuetzen's have scopes, why not just re-scope this barrel back up? How did they mount the old scopes? Thanks again Bert and I look forward to talking to you.0 -
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