czechoslovakian cs zbrojovka akc.spolvbrne vz.38
thanks for all the help in the past, you guys have been awesome! I have the oppurtunity to purchase this rifle but haven't been able to find much on it...is this original or has it been sporterized...i'm told it shoots 270...value? thanks!
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The marking "Cs ZBROJOVKA AKC. SPOL.V BRNE" is found on Czech military rifles made during the 1930's. The "VZ 38" marking should be "VZ 33" though.
The rifle your inquiring about has been heavily sporterized, as it was originally a Czech Model VZ 16/33 Carbine.
Although it appears to be in excellent condition, with very good workmanship. It's value as a sporterized military rifle, would never be as great as a original commercial made rifle.0 -
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jag,
"worth 400?"
That's going to depend on you, the local market, the condition of the rifle and your need for .270 Win.
The outside is heavily sporterized as rufe-snow points out. The stock design is from the '60's era of what the Europeans thought we would like based on the California rollover influence. Note also the degree of vertical in the grip, it's darn near 90 degrees. I would shoulder this rifle and see if it fits and feels right for your stature first. The wood is very plain, straight grain walnut and nothing to write home about but it will be sturdy. Pull the barreled action out of the stock and remove the buttplate. Coat the inside of the barrel channel and the butt with a polyurethane to waterproof it better.
Check the barrel with a borescope if possible to see what the condition is based on the fact that it's been around for a significant amount of time even after being sporterized. Barrel wear on the top of the lands and erosion in the throat could indicate a need to rebarrel. Pull the bolt to see the back of the lugs, looking for signs of galling.
The Weaver scope really adds very little to the rifle except that you get a serviceable scope. I happen to like Weavers but the market value is low, around $40 - $50 dollars with that base and rings.
The two details that will help with the sale of the rifle are the Stutzen stock, what most folks often refer to as a Mannlicher stock in error, and the butterknife bolt handle. These two designs are very European and can sometimes drive prices a tad higher when offered to the American public. I like both and have used both on hunting rifle designs.
Given today's ridiculous market trends, $400.00 might appear to be O.K. Check it over closely and if there are drawbacks offer less and do some negotiating. I've seen these sell at $300.00 but not in the last few months.
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jag: I'd jump on it for 400! Of course I like the full length stock, the flat bolt handle, the .270 cartridge and the 98 action. I've seen the Beuhler rings that are on there sell for $60. I don't see any provisions for a safety, though. That military safety will be unuseable under the scope. 0 -
The Czech VZ 16/33 Carbines were the forerunner of the German Model G 33/40 Mountain Carbines, as used by the German Alpine troops during the Second World War. After the war these were highly coveted for sporterizing, as the small ring action/receiver was lighter then the standard used in the 98 K. And made up in to a much handier sporter. 0 -
okay, I bought it!...(thanks ambrose...its all your fault :>))
man, dont know what trigger is in this thing(any easy way to tell?) but it is sweeeeet! short, crisp and light! definately NOT military...thanks again 4 replies!
nononsense...with all due respect, as you obviously know about this rifle(I dont have a clue!) but your pricing on the scope at 40-50 WITH buehler base and rings is pretty far off thanks again!
not sure if I can post a link...
Weaver Scope
I just shortened it a little...0 -
jag,
It's a very nice rifle and you'll enjoy it for a long time, I'm sure.
Opinions vary and everyone has a different set of value levels that they use to judge merchandise. I saw an 8 lb. jug of some Hodgden powder go for $680.00 the other day on the Auction side. I was outraged at the ludicrous and stupid thinking that concluded that transaction. But I'll guarantee you this, I wouldn't consider any price even remotely close to that personally. Primers and .22 LR ammunition have been selling at outrageous prices to folks that are both scared and have way too much disposable income. Their value levels have exceeded mine by an enormous amount.
Nostalgia aside, I see no reason to inflate the value of those rings or bases, not when I can make or buy better than those. But if they really make you happy, then by all means pay the price. I could be wrong of course but most Weaver scopes in general don't bring much more than that when I've priced them. In essence, I wouldn't pay more than that because they aren't worth that much to me. If you choose to pay more, that's your business and the seller will be glad to take your money, I'm sure.
Have fun, they're great rifles!
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I looked at the link and if someone actually gets that price then good for them! I'm all for making money but for my part I'm not interested in just giving it away, especially for the sake of nostalgia. I've been in those situations before, where a seller believes that a scope and mounts has a greater value than I do. If he won't negotiate the price, I ask to have the scope and mounts removed for a reduction in price that is acceptable to me.
As I stated above, it's what your values allow you to pay not mine. And just because an Auction is asking a particular price, doesn't mean that the price is correct. We see it daily on the Auction side. There are hundreds (under-estimated on purpose) that go for lack of a bid simply because they exceed the value that others are willing to pay.
We'll agree to disagree and I'm glad you're excited about the rifle.
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nono(or anyone else), when I look into the trigger well, I can see red plastic....is this any indication as to what type/brand trigger it may have? thanks again!! 0 -
jag,
Take the barreled action out of the stock and get a picture of the trigger so maybe one of us can identify it. That's the best way.
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