Strange CZ .380
At first this appears to be a standard CZ M39 DAO auto. What makes it different is that it is double action for the first shot and single action after that. The hammer can be brought back to both a half and full cock position by the trigger. What is even stranger is that once cocked, there is no safe way to lower the hammer, not even hammer grooves. It has commercial Czech proofs in addition to a swastika L police mark. Does anyone know anything about this model?
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The ones that were single action as well as double action do exist. I had a similar one years ago.
Most CZ 38's do not have any sort of German waffen type acceptance markings. The only ones that have been documented have been reworks and parts guns that were repaired/assembled during the later years of the German occupation. These pistols are usually found in "rough" condition with only a waffen office acceptance marking. None have been documented as far as I know, with the so called "police" type markings, of eagle over swastika with the letters, "C", "F", "K", or "L".
To make a long story short unless you can trace the provenance of this CZ 38 back in ownership to the G.I. who brought it back from the war. IMHO it's phoney as a 3 dollar bill, as far as the "police" markings are concerned.0 -
This gun was bought for so little I doubt that its a phony. These are the markings: 0 -
The Czech markings are correct for their VZ 38, or better known to American collectors CZ 38. I still believe the "Eagle L" markings to be spurious.
The CZ 38's were either manufactured or in storage when the Germans took control of the Czech arsenals. The original ones were issued to the Germans without any waffen inspection markings. It's common to find the German marked hard shell holsters marked P 39 (T), but the pistols themselves weren't marked.
The only original ones that are found marked with waffen ampt inspection markings, not eagle L police markings are reworks and parts guns from later in the war. All of the few I have seen have been well worn with out the quality blue finish of the Czech military pistols made in the 30's.
As you haven't payed a great deal of extra money for the marking, consider yourself fortunate. It makes a good conversation piece, if nothing else.0 -
Rufe,
I think what you are missing is that the internal mechanism that allows SA/DA is very complicated and unique. I can't imagine anyone going to all that trouble in addition to making up phony stamps for a $150 pistol.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JOELBLACK
Rufe,
I think what you are missing is that the internal mechanism that allows SA/DA is very complicated and unique. I can't imagine anyone going to all that trouble in addition to making up phony stamps for a $150 pistol.
As I have posted previously, I owned one of the SA/DA CZ 38's. There is no doubt in my mind that it is authentic, and factory original. My doubts center on the "police eagle L markings". They are phoney as far as I'm concerned.
It's pointless for us to argue over this though. You will be much better served by posting the photos on Jan Stills, axis pistols board at this link.
http://luger.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=42
Most of the folks who post and frequent this particular board are collectors of these types of pistols. I'm sure they will be more then happy to give you their opinion of the authenticity of these eagle L police markings. Let us know if they come to a consensuses regarding these markings. If the majority of them feel they are authentic, I will be happy to reconsider my opinion.0
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