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Been Thinking about a 410 Semi-Auto.......

Tech141
First, I got the AR-15 .223, and then folks said that's a weak round. So I got the AK-47 variant, and folks said "not enough kinetic energy"... OK, I am now thinking about a semi-auto 410 slug gun. There are a few models available, including this auction on GB -

http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=128980382

What do you experts think about an AR-15-styled 410 shotgun throwing slugs at the bad guys? I'm thinking it would make a pretty darn effective weapon out to 150 - 200 yards or so.

So, Opinions are asked for and welcome.
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  • Wehrmacht_45
    I would be using buckshot and not slugs in a 410(and for close range work only), otherwise you would be better off with a 308 win or 7.62x39 Saiga.
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  • machine gun moran
    I'm hardly an expert, but for 150-200 yard shooting I would personally prefer a 69-caliber flintlock over a .410 of any kind.
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  • Sig220_Ruger77
    quote:I would be using buckshot and not slugs in a 410, otherwise you would be better off with a 308 win or 7.62x39 Saiga.

    Interesting, I would take the slugs over the buck in a 410.

    I think it would make a heck of defense weapon/range gun myself. Problem is finding 410 shells for a reasonable price.[V]

    Jon
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  • Tech141
    Seriously? Does the .308 deliver that much more punch than a .410 slug?
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  • ruger41
    The .410 has around the same energy as a .357 Magnum at the muzzle. For instance the Federal .410 slug load goes out at 1775 fps for 762 ft lbs at the muzzle but by the time it hits 100 yards it is down to 1061 fps and 272 ft lbs which would be about the same as a .38 Special. Good enough to kill someone but not especially a death ray, plus the ammo is darn expensive. A standard 55 grain fmj .223 load goes out at 3240 fps/ 1282 ft lbs and at 100 yards it still is going 2874 fps/1008 ft lbs. The .223 has more energy and speed at 500 yards than the .410 does at 100. It might be fun as a close range toy though.
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  • Nwcid
    Well I guess "enough" is a matter of opinion and what you are planning on doing with it.

    As for a serious offensive or defensive gun I do not believe the .410 to be a good choice let alone in a cheeply made gun. I have heard ok things about the .410 AR's but I held one and it felt very cheep. Add to the that price tag of what you could a good gun for it just does not make sense to me at all.

    So why is your .223 or 7.62x39 less effective at 150-200 yards then what you think a .410 could deliver?

    I have 3, .410's including a Saiga semi auto. While they have their place I dont feel this is it if you have a choice.
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  • Wehrmacht_45
    A 7.62 Soviet round is as strong as the 30-30 out to about 150-200 yards, and I cannot begin to tell you how many deer have been easily taken by the 30-30 in various lever guns over the years.
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  • PA Shootist
    In the shotgun world the .410 has always been the wimp of the batch. I have done a lot of skeet shooting, and some hunting, with the .410. It carries only a very small load of shot, and is for an expert shooter, who takes his shots up close. When I was a kid, the only gun I had was a .410/.22 Stevens over-under. I used it to hunt deer with .410 slugs, and the .22 and shotshells for everything else. These slugs weighed 1/5 oz, and were marginal at best for power for hunting deer. At any distance they were way less than marginal. Accuracy in the smooth bore was also only OK for short distances, and certainly there wasn't enough accuracy beyond 50 to 75 yards for hunting deer. I can sort of see inside a house with slugs or triple buckshot that it would have enough knockdown for self defense, but I'd rather have my 12 gauge for that purpose also.

    Almosy any decent .223 or 7.62x39 rifle would outclass the .410 at any distance beyond 25 to 50 yards, for effectiveness, knockdown, killing power, accuracy, etc. with practically any expanding bullet.
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  • quickmajik
    Hmm. I dont think the .410 is a great idea for home defense.

    If you want knock down maybe you should look at a Saiga-12. You have the options of 5,8,10, or 12 round stick mags or 20 and 30 round drums.


    Also look an AR-15 upper chambered in .50 Beuwolf or .450 bushmaster.
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  • 11b6r
    The 7.62 x 39 starts with about 1500 ft lbs, and a 125 gr (more or less) bullet. Te 410 slug starts at about 670 ft lbs, and a 97 gr bullet with a really lousy ballistic coefficent. At 100 yards, the difference is even more dramatic. At 200, forget it.

    The 410 slug in standard form is just about the equal of shooting a round patched ball from a .40 cal muzzleloader.

    If you want something with authority at range, go for a .308
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