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Mauser Mystery Rifle

Markus
Hi guys! There's a mauser rifle in the C&R section that has me puzzled. I've never seen this type of mauser before. The auction number is #128442170. Does anyone know where this rifle came from. It
doesn't have a bayonet lug on it, but it looks to be a military sniper. Maybe Serb or Bosnian? Anybody wanna venture a guess? Thanks![^]
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  • Wehrmacht_45
    It looks like it is a Czech made as I am pretty sure I can see some Czech lion proofs on it. It is a K98 German pattern and not a Bosnian or Serb Mauser as those have full length hand guards on them. It looks like a scrubbed and redone ww2 German K98 made in Czechoslovakia, probably by BRNO. That's my opinion. I may indeed be wrong. But both my Czech Mausers have the same proof marks on them.
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  • rufe-snow
    http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=128442170

    It's real strange that the seller doesn't mention the side rail marking in his add. Although he shows partial pictures of them. It should read
    "Cs.ZBROJOVKA AKC.SPOLV BRNE", with either VZ24 or VZ33 underneath.

    It dates the receiver to the mid 30's or later, just prior to the Germans taking control of Czechoslovakia.

    My guess is that the receiver was a reject, that was assembled into a complete rifle after the Germans were run out in 1945. It could of been something assembled for sale to the G.I.'s or whoever, just after the war was over. Because it doesn't have the usual military furniture but does have the scope it was probably meant for sale as a sporter.
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  • MIKE WISKEY
    It is a 'put together' 'looks like a' mauser sniper. current scope mounts and a weaver scope. certainly NOT a C&R rifle.
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  • sandwarrior
    I'm with all the above, It's a Czech rifle in K-98 furniture with a modified front band. The scope, bases and rings are not even WWII vintage. The scope sure looks like a Weaver. The 14th pic up from the bottom even shows what looks like Weavers stamp on it. You can clearly see a "W" at the start of the first line.

    In case you were thinking of bidding on this, I certainly wouldn't at the price he has on it. More like a $200.00 tops rifle to me.

    Edit:

    Beantownshootah,
    I'm pretty sure drilling a tapping does not constitute a change major enough to take it off the C&R eligible list. Making the stock a different configuration, cutting the barrel down or changing the barrel to a different caliber would probably do that.
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  • beantownshootah
    A few points:

    If you look at this guys OTHER auction, its for a customized/sporterized Mauser.

    http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=128269380

    Given that this guy likes to tinker with Mausers, it seems pretty likely that this one also isn't original.

    On pricing, the ask of $600 does seem a bit steep, but that depends on what exactly the scope is worth. The problem is you can't know what its worth without knowing what it is.

    But even assuming this gun is cobbled together from parts, I'd have to think pretty much ANY Mauser in nice shape with professionally mounted scope bases (modern or vintage) and a decent scope on top has to be worth at least $300 nowadays.

    On C&R status, I think the rules state that any gun over 50 years old in original configuration qualifies.

    I'm pretty sure that per the BATF replacing broken/worn parts with similar ones does not invalidate C&R status (since it doesn't change the configuration), and I think that would include a period-correct stock, and or barrel band.

    Given the many variations of Mausers over the years plus capture/refinishing of them that went on, it might be hard to determine exactly what the "original" configuration of this particular one is. (IE it might have changed AFTER manufacture, but BEFORE the 50 year C&R deadline). If this gun were captured and refinished/reworked during the second world war, for example, that all by itself would be historically interesting, and it would be hard to argue that the gun didn't have "curio" status.

    The BATF has also maintained that swapping out parts (by itself) does NOT invalidate C&R status, so long as the original parts are retained, and can be replaced.

    Now, I don't know if merely tapping a gun for a scope mount destroys the C&R status of the gun, but there is undoubtedly BATFE precedent on this. (Remember, the scope mounts and scope can easily be removed. . .those by themselves don't alter the C&R status).

    Perhaps someone has a more definitive answer?
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