AR-15 SBR question.
In reading the post above on NFA rules, I have one question involving the manufacture of a SBR. I noted that it appears one can manufacture a SBR for personal use. If one were to buy a short barrel upper for a AR type weapon, what would be the total cost to manufacture and register a SBR if you do it yourself?
Does having the City and State engraved on the lower receiver mean that it can not leave that area that it is engraved with? I currently have residences in two states. Will there be a problem when I retire to my second home in Colorado?
Based on the responses, I think I will be better off getting a AR pistol in 9mm. It appears the hassle and paperwork involved with a SBR are just not worth it for my needs. I still get the compact features in the pistol, and do not have to go through all the NFA headaches (HELL) getting a SBR.
Thanks for all the responses, it really helped steer me in a cost effective direction.
Does having the City and State engraved on the lower receiver mean that it can not leave that area that it is engraved with? I currently have residences in two states. Will there be a problem when I retire to my second home in Colorado?
Based on the responses, I think I will be better off getting a AR pistol in 9mm. It appears the hassle and paperwork involved with a SBR are just not worth it for my needs. I still get the compact features in the pistol, and do not have to go through all the NFA headaches (HELL) getting a SBR.
Thanks for all the responses, it really helped steer me in a cost effective direction.
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The cost of the upper itself along with the $200 tax for registering the weapon on a Form 1 as a SBR. If you don't already have a lower receiver then naturally you'll have to purchase one (either just the lower or a complete rifle with a legal length barrel). Don't purchase the upper until you have the approved Form 1 in your hands.
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As mark stated the cost would be whatever the cost of the parts you choose are plus the paperwork.
Making tax for NFA item is $200 (for you Form 1). You will also have one of the cost of either passport photos and finger printing (about $25 for both) along with an LEO sign off. Or you will have the cost of setting up a trust which can vary greatly depending on how you do it.
You may also have the cost of engraving the lower with your info. I do not have a link handy but you will need to engrave your name and city/state on the receiver that is to become the SBR lower.
Also as mark said dont do it till the Form comes back approved and is in your hands.0 -
You could always go with a 14.5 that has a pinned/welded flash hider and get by without the NFA forms. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Boomerang
quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
As mark stated the cost would be whatever the cost of the parts you choose are plus the paperwork.
Making tax for NFA item is $200 (for you Form 1). You will also have one of the cost of either passport photos and finger printing (about $25 for both) along with an LEO sign off. Or you will have the cost of setting up a trust which can vary greatly depending on how you do it.
You may also have the cost of engraving the lower with your info. I do not have a link handy but you will need to engrave your name and city/state on the receiver that is to become the SBR lower.
Also as mark said dont do it till the Form comes back approved and is in your hands.Thanks for all the info. Wow! Engraving the lower with city and state. It sounds like I need to get a CMMG or RRA parts lower and not use one of my pre-ban Colts for this project. Are there suggestions on brand or source of the upper to purchase?
I would go with whatever the cheepest lower you can find is, no real reason not to. I would not mess up your Colt. Also I am sure someone here know what companies do it but I know there are some receiver finishers that would/could engrave your receiver with the needed info before sending it to you.
Going with any of the name brand uppers is pretty hard to beat.0 -
Any CNC machine shop should be able to engrave it for you. You could always get a stamp set and do it yourself. My guess to would be, that it can't be laser engraved, it needs to actually dent the metal.
One company that comes to mind is Anvil Arms. You may want to contact them and see what they can do for you. You probably can get a lower from them too.
Cheapest lower you will be able to find is Essential Arms, may want to check if they can engrave it also. They seem to be doing all their own machining again.0 -
Non licensees (Folks who own NFA weapons and are not dealers) cannot move their NFA weapons outside of their home state without notifying the BATFE and you will need to submit Form 5320.2 before you take your SBR to a gun show or a shoot in another state. If you move the weapon permanently to a new state you'll use the same form. The 5320.2 are actually pretty quick to have approved but you'll still need to plan ahead.
I am probably stealing all of nwcid's NFA questions, but I love this stuff.0 -
Yes, as others have said, moving out of state is a pain. Going to Knob Creek, KY takes Fed permission for Jeff. If you need help with the cnc engraving - e-mail me. 0 -
When making a gun the maker has to engrave their info on the gun. In this case YOU will be the maker of the SBR (when doing a Form 1) and as such you need YOUR info engraved on the gun. This is not a matter of keeping it in state or out of state or otherwise. I believe this rule was part of the 1986 gun control act.
As far as going out of state you will need to do the 5320.2 form as stated. I do not have any toys that I have to worry about that with so I am not real up on it. From what I understand some people just fill out a 5320.2 at the start of the year for anywhere they MIGHT go just to have it done and out of the way. This does NOT apply to suppressor for sure and I think it might be true for AOW as well but dont quote me on that.
Mark is it GREAT to have you and you info back on these boards, I will take the help any time I can get it. If you have any suggestions for the NFA sticky please email me or let me know.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Boomerang
Based on the responses, I think I will be better off getting a AR pistol in 9mm. It appears the hassle and paperwork involved with a SBR are just not worth it for my needs. I still get the compact features in the pistol, and do not have to go through all the NFA headaches (HELL) getting a SBR.
Thanks for all the responses, it really helped steer me in a cost effective direction.
The paperwork is not really all that hard to deal with, the engraving of your info is hardly a serious problem, and while the $200 NFA Tax may seem like a chunk of change, these days that same $200 hardly amounts to a few boxes of ammo! Why not go with a 9mm SBR?
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Last July Kansas became an NFA state ... and so obligingly I registered 3 SBR's using a Trust instead of registering them to me personally ... its easier for estate planning, plus you don't have to do the finger prints, photo and LEO sign-off.
I picked up software at Best Buy for $9.95 and did it all myself. The first 2 took just under 60 days, the last one was 93 days.
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For engraving, we have a local Trophy and Award engraver that welcomes the additional work. He has a computerized engraving machine, kind of like the ones in pet shops that does pet tags but its much larger, and he only charges $25 and will do it while you wait/watch.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mark christian
quote:Originally posted by Boomerang
Based on the responses, I think I will be better off getting a AR pistol in 9mm. It appears the hassle and paperwork involved with a SBR are just not worth it for my needs. I still get the compact features in the pistol, and do not have to go through all the NFA headaches (HELL) getting a SBR.
Thanks for all the responses, it really helped steer me in a cost effective direction.
The paperwork is not really all that hard to deal with, the engraving of your info is hardly a serious problem, and while the $200 NFA Tax may seem like a chunk of change, these days that same $200 hardly amounts to a few boxes of ammo! Why not go with a 9mm SBR?
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WOW! That is exactly the gun I was going for originally, but the pistol just made more sense until I saw your SBR. Like you said $200 is not that much and I just may have to go ahead and get one. Mark - Good to see you post again and thanks for the wisdom, it is always appreciated. You too KimberKid, Jeff, John/Nwcid, and shoff14.0 -
If SBR were legal here the ATF would be into me for at lest another $2000. 0
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