shipping 100 yo gun
I've sent severals guns through the mail and ups...they have ALWAYS gone to an ffl. I recently sold a 100+ year old gun(on GB) the buyer says I can send directly to him...is this correct? I kinda thought that was the reason for a c-n-r ffl? thanks for any input!
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jag,
If the gun was made before 1898 you can ship it straight to him. If it was made after(actual date of manufacture) that then you must ship to C&R or FFL depending on which the rifle qualifies for.0 -
thanks, thats basically what he said...thanks again! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by sandwarrior
jag,
If the gun was made before 1898 you can ship it straight to him. If it was made after(actual date of manufacture) that then you must ship to C&R or FFL depending on which the rifle qualifies for.
Actually, it had to made before January 1, 1899, not 1898.0 -
and if you finish reading the ATF law for pre 1898 and antique guns.. if you can still buy ammo in regular commerce it is considered a firearm and must be sent to a FFL ie..45 colt ect.ect.ect.. 0 -
Well, that is NOT wwhat the Fderal law says-
(16) The term "antique firearm" means-
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; or
(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica-
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof."
So a 45 Colt made in 1898 is NOT a firearm, but an antique. It does NOT need to go thru a FFL. A REPLICA of a Colt Single Action DOES need to go to a FFL, if it uses readily available ammo.0 -
quote:Originally posted by fordsix
and if you finish reading the ATF law for pre 1898 and antique guns.. if you can still buy ammo in regular commerce it is considered a firearm and must be sent to a FFL ie..45 colt ect.ect.ect..
A common misunderstanding of Federal law.
It doesn't matter if modern ammo is readily available for the gun, or not.
All that matters is the date of manufacture.
And that date is pre 1899, not pre 1898.
The Swedish Mauser is another good example.
You can have a Swedish Mauser made in 1898, and you can have one made in 1922.
The two rifles are identical. The shoot identical ammo, which is readily available.
The 1898 Swede Mauser is an antique, by Federal law, and the 1922 Swede is C and R.
Be careful, however, there are local laws that are more strict. New Jersey, for instance, has more strict laws.0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
quote:Originally posted by fordsix
and if you finish reading the ATF law for pre 1898 and antique guns.. if you can still buy ammo in regular commerce it is considered a firearm and must be sent to a FFL ie..45 colt ect.ect.ect..
A common misunderstanding of Federal law.
It doesn't matter if modern ammo is readily available for the gun, or not.
All that matters is the date of manufacture.
And that date is pre 1899, not pre 1898.
One caveat there allen. A few guns such as the 14 gauge British police riot shotgun are made post 1898 but have been classified as antiques to to the ammo not being available. That list is on the BATF website somewhere.0 -
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade;
Doesn't this mean if ammo is manufactured you CANNOT ship it directly regardless on the age of the rifle?0 -
quote:Originally posted by rsnyder55
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade;
Doesn't this mean if ammo is manufactured you CANNOT ship it directly regardless on the age of the rifle?
Read the Federal law carefully.
Availibility of modern rimfire or centerfire fixed ammo refers to modern made replicas.
If you have a Colt SAA in .45 Colt made last year by Uberti, it is considered a modern firearm, because centerfire fixed ammo is readily available, and the gun was made after 1898.
However, a Uberti Colt Army 1860 cap and ball pistol, made last year, is not considered a modern firearm since it is a muzzleloader. By Federal law, the muzzleloader is in the same category as the antique.0 -
Those are under the "or" categories.The first statement is very clear. "any firearm manufactured 1898 or before." period. 0
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