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Does buyer need FFL for a Nonworking pistol

jodago
I was wondering if I had a nonworking pistol and sold it on gunbrokers,would the buyer need a FFL tranfer and go through all the steps as if it were a working pistol?
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  • Nwcid
    You do not need a FFL for selling parts. You do for selling a gun working or not.

    IF you have the receiver ie the serial numbered part you HAVE to send it to an FFL is shipping. The serial numbed part IS the gun, everything else is just parts.


    In the pic below the middle part is a bare piece of metal with noting attached to it, it IS a firearm. It is the receiver, serial numbed part of an AR-10. All the parts attached to one in the bottom pic is just parts and can be sold without going though an FFL. The main receiver part still has to be shipped to an FFL. The piece in the top of the pic is and upper receiver. In this gun the upper receiver is not considered the serial numbered part so is just parts.

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  • Wehrmacht_45
    If the gun is made after 1898, they will need an FFL if you sell the whole gun.

    Now if you take it apart, you can sell everything but the frame and not require a FFL.

    The frame of the handgun is considered the gun by the ATF.
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  • 11b6r
    Just shipped a receiver for a 22 rifle to a friend. No barrel, no bolt, no sear, trigger, etc. About us "unworking" as can be. But unless it had been torch cut into 3 pieces, it is STILL a firearm, and I needed to list it out in my bound volume to HIS FFL.
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  • jodago
    How about a pistol being sold in the same city like st.louis ,Missouri?
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  • 11b6r
    If you are selling, giving, or otherwise thransferring a firearm FACE TO FACE to a resident of your state, and do not have cause to believe that person is ineligible to possess, then as I understand the law in Missouri, it does not have to go thru a FFL. Across a state line, yes. To a resident of another state, yes. face to face, same state, no.

    Read here: http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystate/a/gunlaws_mo.htm
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  • jodago
    Thanks Very Much, You've big a Huge Help.
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  • MNDoug
    Also, if you sell a firearm in pieces with the intent that it will be reassembled into a firearm (working or not), the ATF looks askance at that as well. But that transaction would also be covered until the rule that an FFL must be used to transfer any piece carrying a registration number, i.e., receiver.
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  • givette
    quote:Originally posted by MNDoug
    Also, if you sell a firearm in pieces with the intent that it will be reassembled into a firearm (working or not), the ATF looks askance at that as well. But that transaction would also be covered until the rule that an FFL must be used to transfer any piece carrying a registration number, i.e., receiver.


    Then you are not selling a firearm. (item in blue). ATF will not "look askance" at anything. Either a law has been violated, and they'll move on it, or not, and they can't. Again (item in green) receivers are the firearms. Nothing else. When you buy a gun at the gunshop, paperwork involved is for the receiver, the parts attached to the receiver are just along for the ride. Best, Joe
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  • Herschel
    givette is right on target.
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