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A few weeks ago I bought a Vanguard Carbine chambered in 223 Rem.
The rifle shoots just dandy with 25.3 gr. of H-335 and Noslers 55 gr Ballistic tip [:p]
This is my 1st bolt action rifle chambered for the 223 , so all of my loadings before this where for my Bushmaster , loading FMJ bullets.
Now I have been doing some research in all of my loading manuals , and looking at other loads and bullets to use , and the books claim that 1 in 12 twist is OK for the lighter bullets 40 gr up to 55 gr , but for the hevyer bullets like 70 gr they say a 1 in 7 or 1 in 9 twist is needed .
Anyway to make a long story short , does anyone know what the twist rate on this rifle would be ?
Rifle in link is like the same one I bought . Checked Weatherby's web site but couldn't find anything .

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=127830157

Thank Ya Kindly for any info.
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  • He Dog
    The Vanguard is made by Howa, in Japan, and the Howa is imported and sold as the Howa 1500 by Legacy Sports. You might ask them the twist rate on it: http://www.legacysports.com/products/howa/index.html
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  • Mobuck
    My Vanguard 223 does not seem to like anything heavier than 60 grains. I've tried some 69 grain hpbt which just wasted good ammo. The best factory load in it is a 50 grain plastic tipped bullet. I haven't loaded any tipped bullets for it yet but it is only mediocre with the 55 soft points from 3 different makers. I was hoping the rifle was at least as good as my daughter's Savage but so far it hasn't happened that way.
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  • cussedemgun
    375 H&H,

    www.weatherby.com/rifles/vanguard/synthetic

    Per their web page, your twist should be 1 in 12

    Jim
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  • 375H&H
    I loaded 55 gr Hornady S.P.S.X
    50 and 40 gr Seirra BlitzKings
    and the 55 gr Ballistic tips
    All with Hogdon H-335
    But so far only shot the Ballistic tips . They shot at or slightly over 1" @ 100 yards . Still looking for a load that the rifle likes, would like to see it group at or under 1" @ 100 .

    Just got off the phone with Weatherby , they say 1 in 12 twist .

    Thanks fellas .
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Put a ramrod with a patch into the muzzle all the way. Pull out 2 inches., pullout slowly until the handle has made a full revolution and measure the newly exposed ramrod.

    Sage 1
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  • tsr1965
    For the velocities that will be attained with the 70 grainer's, you will need a 1 in 8 twist to stabalize that bullet. With a 1 in 12(have you actually measured your rifle's twist using a cleaning rod, cleaning jag with tight patch, and a ruler?), that rifle should shoot the 40-50 grainer's really well.

    Best
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  • Wehrmacht_45
    They are 1 in 12 twist barrels. My ex roommie has one. It shoots anything from 40-55 grain really well. However 50-55 gr bullets yield the best 100 yard accuracy for him.
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  • stevecrea
    I would not hesitate to try the 40 grain Hornady V-Maxes, and other 40 or so weights from Sierra, Nosler, and others. It seems that many shooters like the 55s and even heavier in the .223. However, some rifles like the lighter bullets, especially with the standard 1 in 12 twist.

    I recently bought some Fiocchi 40 grain V-Maxes at Cabela's, and my Tikka 595 in .223 seems to like them quite well. I put them on paper, and was getting .3 or .4 inches at 50, which would be under 1.0 MOA or so.
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