building a short barreled shotgun:Help
I am interested in the idea of owning a short barreled shotgun.I wish to eventually purchase a double barrel shotgun and I was considering shortening the barrels to about 12 inches as well as turning the buttstock into a pistol grip.I know I will have to fill out the neccesary ATF/NFA paperwork,which not a problem,as I would like to keep this as legal as possible.My question is,would this type of work need to be done by a gunsmith or would someone like me be able to do the work involved ? Any info you can provide is appreciated.
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Contact the alpahabet (ATF) police on this !!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks !!!
d.a.stearns.............a.k.a............SKEEZIX
Gunsmith / LEO
Athens , Tn
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I'm just curious as to the idea of whether or not I would be able to do the work myself,or if I'd have to send my gun to a Class 2 manufacturer.I'm well aware of the ATF/NFA rules,but thanks for the info. 0 -
Sure you can. Get the tax stamp first, of course.
Then cut the barrels with a fine toothed hacksaw, and file it square. You can chamfer the inside of the bores with a sharp knife. Fill the hole in the rib between the barrels with steel wool, slightly below the surface. Flux the inside and flow lead solder onto the steel wool until the solder is higher than the end of the barrel. File the protruding solder down flush. Or, you can fill the space with plumber's epoxy putty. Drill and tap the rib for the front sight, and thread it in.
The stock is a little more difficult, as you may have to shorten the through bolt and inlet the pistol grip for the bolt. Other than that, just cut and sand the stock.0 -
If it doesnt have a butt stock it is an AOW not a SBS, you have too do the application and pay five dollars.
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huhh, I figured it was like an SBR kinda thing and you only had too roll mark the reciever. Sorry if i gave any bad info. I'd just seen alot of old stevens doubles cut down and sold as aows.0 -
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
If it doesnt have a butt stock it is an AOW not a SBS, you have too do the application and pay five dollars.
I think this post is misleading! If you are cutting down a pre-existing shotgun, it will be an SBS (whether it has a pistol grip or a full stock). If you are starting with a bare receiver that has NEVER had a stock on it, then it would be an AOW. Seeing as how you are going to be manufacturing it, and the price of the tax stamp ($200) is the same no matter which one you build, go with the SBS on the Form 1. It will allow you to use either a pistol grip or a full stock. Serbu makes AOW 870's, but I had him build one and register it as an SBS so I could use either pistol grip or stock. An SBS is much more versatile0 -
However, if a MANUFACTURER cuts it down on both ends, and stamps it with their name and serial humber, it becomes an AOW. I have seen this done with both Remington and Ithaca pump shotguns. 0 -
Moose nailed it.
nunn the rules are the same for everyone. If it has EVER had a stock on it then it can NEVER be an AOW legally. Not sure about the Ithaca guns but Remington sells a pistol grip shotgun and these are the ONLY ones that can be made into AOW. The only semi exception to this would be a gun with a rifled AND a smooth barrel on it. If you cut the barrel length down on that it becomes an AOW.
Pun did you read the NFA FAQ at the top, some good info there.
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
I'd just seen alot of old stevens doubles cut down and sold as aows.
Please show me where, I would buy one in a heart beat since we can not have SBS here. I have been looking for a long time.0 -
Ithica made lots of pistol grip shotguns. For years Mark Serbu only made his Super Shortys out of Mossbergs because they were the only company making pistol gripped shotguns at the time. When Rem started making the 870 with a pistol grip again, he was able to use 870's as base guns. I hope this is all as clear as mud now.[:D] 0 -
To clarify Mooseyard's point of "if it ever had a stock" he is referring to a full length shoulder stock. It has to come from the factory with a pistol grip to be able to qualify as AOW, and the second you put a full length butt stock on it you're in hot water.
It sounds like this project is a sideXside...? I don't know of any that came stock with a pistol grip, you're looking at making a Short Barreled Rifle (previously mentioned SBR).
As Bill said, make sure you have your paperwork in order FIRST, then go for it. When I dig my little 410 AOW out I'll post some pics (10" bbl, 19" OAL).0 -
quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
Moose nailed it.
nunn the rules are the same for everyone. If it has EVER had a stock on it then it can NEVER be an AOW legally. Not sure about the Ithaca guns but Remington sells a pistol grip shotgun and these are the ONLY ones that can be made into AOW. The only semi exception to this would be a gun with a rifled AND a smooth barrel on it. If you cut the barrel length down on that it becomes an AOW.
Pun did you read the NFA FAQ at the top, some good info there.
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
I'd just seen alot of old stevens doubles cut down and sold as aows.
Please show me where, I would buy one in a heart beat since we can not have SBS here. I have been looking for a long time.
He is always set up at the lexington,Ky gun shows he has Everything class III. supressors,sbs,sbr,aow, I know he is from the tri-state area. I'll ask a friend. see if I can jenny up a name for you. I think he has indian blood, as in from India.
So if I could get factory recievers that have never been built on I could build an AOW, once I had completed my NFA paper work and got my stamp? Cool.0
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