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Winchester Model 67 and 67A Differences?

tepeb
Hi all,
Can anyone tell me what the differences are between the 67 and the 67A models? Ive heard that in the late 1930's some minor changes were made to the 67 which resulted in the 'A' designation. Is this true?? After the 'A' model came out were the 67 and 67A both produced or was the 67 discontinued? Also is there any way to tell approximate years of manufacture based on any characteristics??

Any and all info on these models is much appreciated. I have been all over the net and just cant seem to find many of the details that im looking for...
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  • badsbsnf81
    The 67A will not have finger grooves in the fore end.
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  • Bert H.
    The 67A was introduced in early 1938. In order to improve the extraction of fired shells, as well as improve the operation of the bolt, the design of the sear and extractor were modified effective January 8th, 1938. These changed resulted in the "67A" designation, and thereafter all rifles were marked "67A" versus "67".

    Yes, it is possible to determine the approximate manufacture period based on specific characteristics.
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by badsbsnf81
    The 67A will not have finger grooves in the fore end.


    Nor will a Model 67 made in 1935 - January 1938. The finger grooves were omitted less than 1-year into the production run.
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  • btk
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by badsbsnf81
    The 67A will not have finger grooves in the fore end.


    Nor will a Model 67 made in 1935 - January 1938. The finger grooves were omitted less than 1-year into the production run.

    So, if I'm reading this right model 67 were made starting sometime in 1934? I just acquired my father's model 67, it's not a 67A it has no finger grooves. So its manufactured sometime between 1935 and 1938?
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  • Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by btk
    So, if I'm reading this right model 67 were made starting sometime in 1934? I just acquired my father's model 67, it's not a 67A it has no finger grooves. So its manufactured sometime between 1935 and 1938?


    That is correct... being a Model 67, but without finger grooves, it was made in the 1935 - 1937 timeframe.
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  • btk
    quote:Originally posted by Bert H.
    quote:Originally posted by btk
    So, if I'm reading this right model 67 were made starting sometime in 1934? I just acquired my father's model 67, it's not a 67A it has no finger grooves. So its manufactured sometime between 1935 and 1938?


    That is correct... being a Model 67, but without finger grooves, it was made in the 1935 - 1937 timeframe.


    Thanks for confirmation.
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  • rentguy
    I also have a model 67A I'm trying to get an approximate build date on.I had read on a high road forum that is now about 10 year old info that Winchester had manufactured around 125,000 model 67A when they first started building them after the older style 67. They put grooves on the triggers for approxmately 134,000 rifles then went back to building them without groves on the triggers.This info was relayed by a member that frequents this board and goes by the name badsbsnf-81.

    I'm curious as to where this info might have come from because when I checked with Glenn,the Winchester Historian he said he had no record of Winchester ever doing this.If badsbsnf-81 sees this post maybe you could respond.Since my rifle has grooves on the trigger then I would assume it was part of that 134,000 built and might be able to pin down some time frame for the build date.Thanks
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  • badsbsnf81
    The info most likely came from the George Madis book. It has been known to have errors since it was published @ 1961. Lots of information has come to light since then. Bert H and others have provided good info in this thread.
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  • cranky2
    Bert has helped me many times but on this subject I must disagree with him. The model 67A was late 1940s or early 1950s. According to Herbert Houze in the dreams of youth page 152 in anticipation of postwar requirements, the sales department recommended on Aug. 5, 1943 that once production recommenced, the model67 be offered with optional sights( i.e., the model96A rear peep sight used on the model 68 could be ordered in place of the model 321B standard rear sight). On page 154 With the company's decision on Aug.5, 1943 to offer the model 67 with an optional sight format identical to those used on the model 68 the latter model was effectively rendered obsolete. The 67 under went at least 5 stock changes the 67A changes allowed for the round post and longer spring that went around instead of through as on the more square stock mounting post, I own both a 67 and 67A with target sights so I know for sure the model 67A did not start in the late 1930's. These model changes have been discussed at length on Rimfire Central. Jay
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  • tsr1965
    quote:Originally posted by cranky2
    Bert has helped me many times but on this subject I must disagree with him. The model 67A was late 1940s or early 1950s. According to Herbert Houze in the dreams of youth page 152 in anticipation of postwar requirements, the sales department recommended on Aug. 5, 1943 that once production recommenced, the model67 be offered with optional sights( i.e., the model96A rear peep sight used on the model 68 could be ordered in place of the model 321B standard rear sight). On page 154 With the company's decision on Aug.5, 1943 to offer the model 67 with an optional sight format identical to those used on the model 68 the latter model was effectively rendered obsolete. The 67 under went at least 5 stock changes the 67A changes allowed for the round post and longer spring that went around instead of through as on the more square stock mounting post, I own both a 67 and 67A with target sights so I know for sure the model 67A did not start in the late 1930's. These model changes have been discussed at length on Rimfire Central. Jay


    I hope you realize what you are saying is totally erroneous. A lot of those refference books, and untill recently, the BLUE BOOK included, are based on the ramblings of George Madis. The new research, and refferences, coming forward, are based directly on the polishing room records, for the most part...something that Rambling George did not ever access.

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